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[11:10] <cjh> Alright, that was 5 minutes. [11:10] <cjh> Welcome all. [11:10] yunosh joined the channel. [11:10] <cjh> I may have to step away at some point, so let's get going. [11:10] <yunosh> hello folks [11:11] <cjh> Unless there's popular demand I'm going to skip introductions today. [11:11] <duckslo> I agree. [11:11] <kevinUofA> me too [11:11] <yunosh> yeah, looks like we don't have any new folks [11:11] <cjh> Which brings us to the first agenda item: Horde 3.2. Jan, could you say where you see us in the release process? I started doing a few reports on open bugs, but didn't get very far. [11:11] <kevinUofA> and less old folks ;) [11:12] <yunosh> kevinUofA: yeah, i almost missed it too ;) [11:12] <yunosh> well, we fixed a few show-stopper bugs during the last month [11:12] <yunosh> but there are still a few to go [11:13] <yunosh> i personally want to make sure that at least basic synching works again [11:13] <yunosh> there seem to be a few issues atm [11:13] <yunosh> but we should go final this months [11:13] <yunosh> month [11:13] <cjh> I think maybe one more RC, then final if there are no issues. [11:14] <yunosh> well, yeah, probably [11:14] <Shpoon> I agree with one more RC. I've pushed quite a few dimp bugfixes lately, and would like to see them tested a bit. [11:14] <cjh> liamr, kevinUofA especially - anyone using the RCs have any comments about them? [11:15] <kevinUofA> we're not using the latest RC but we're at the latest official release and have been having a lot of memcache issues... looking forward to seeing how things have improved in 3.2 [11:16] <MrVi> kevinUofA: what type of issues? [11:16] <Shpoon> well, i can say for sure memcache support is vastly improved [11:16] <Shpoon> as of 3.1.x, it wasn't on any developers radar really [11:16] <liamr> i've been on vacation since last Tuesday, so I can't say. I just got back. [11:17] <Shpoon> As MrVi will attest, I've had the ability since 3.1 to spend a substantial amount of time improving memcache support. [11:17] <kevinUofA> mostly we're just finding it's not 100% reliable - especially if there's any DB interruption. We're rebooting those machines far more than we should be. [11:17] <liamr> I know that we were seeing the problems I'd reported on the list with the version of DIMP that was in CVS last Tuesday (when it was recommended that I try HEAD) [11:17] <duckslo> I had some issues with memcache. But they get solved when I upgraded memcached upgrade to the last version. [11:18] <MrVi> Shpoon: I haven't noticed any problem in the version we are running in production [11:18] <MrVi> but I guess I use it in a different way than kevin [11:18] <Shpoon> Kevin sounds like he is using 3.1 [11:18] <Shpoon> we didn't really have memcache support in 3.1 [11:19] <kevinUofA> I think most of our problems are load related.... we're coming up on high-tide [11:19] <kevinUofA> ya we're on 3.1 [11:19] <Shpoon> liamr: i've fixed many safari bugs since last tuesday. [11:19] <Shpoon> in dimp [11:20] <MrVi> Shpoon: I'm running MAI 3.2.5.. I lost track of horde release numbers:-) [11:21] <selsky> What is MAI? [11:21] <MrVi> nevermind.. It's PT's maintenance release :) [11:22] <cjh> Alright, so it sounds like we're making progress for everyone, but have some work to do. Hoping for releases this month. [11:22] <cjh> kevinUofA: it'd be great if you could test the RCs, of course :) [11:22] <kevinUofA> I'll set up a test server this week :) [11:22] <cjh> excellent :) [11:23] <kevinUofA> is PHP 5 recommended? [11:23] <cjh> I'd recommend 5.2.x [11:23] <kevinUofA> ok. I'll go that way [11:23] <johnmorr> we finally got around to upgrading our horde machines to php5 recently... it's made a huge difference [11:24] <MrVi> we're running 5.2.4 [11:24] <johnmorr> ~35% drop in cpu consumption [11:24] <kevinUofA> I've been waiting for 3.2 to upgrade, since we finally got our installation nice and stable so we wanted to wait until after this semester to do any major changes [11:24] <kevinUofA> but it's always been the intention to to to php5 [11:24] <liamr> we're in a similar situation. we're waiting until semester's end to roll out any major changes. [11:24] <johnmorr> kevinUofA: are you running an accelerator of any kind (zend optimizer, eaccelerator, etc.)? [11:25] <kevinUofA> yeah eaccelerator... [11:25] <kevinUofA> we couldn't get it working with 5 before (2 years ago) so I'm hoping I can get it working now (on OpenBSD) [11:25] <MrVi> we're running apc [11:25] <johnmorr> kevinUofA: eaccel + php5? [11:26] <kevinUofA> eaccel + php4 [11:26] <MrVi> pear install apc [11:26] <johnmorr> sorry, i meant: when you mentioned "couldn't get it working with 5" was that eaccel trying to work with php5? [11:26] <kevinUofA> MrVi: does apc work as well? [11:26] <kevinUofA> oh... yes [11:26] <MrVi> kevinUofA: yes [11:26] <MrVi> we have around 14M php scripts served daily :-) [11:27] <kevinUofA> for the life of me I couldn't get PHP5 and eaccelerator to play nice. Though this was several versions ago. [11:27] <kevinUofA> MrVi: sweet - I'll try that on the yet-to-be-created test server [11:27] <Shpoon> all of the accelerators were broken for a bit when PHP 5 first came out [11:27] <johnmorr> kevinUofA: fwiw, make sure you use the latest eaccelerator release, since eaccel < 0.9.5.2 was broken and/or buggy with php 5.x [11:27] <yunosh> since apc is supposed to be in core php 6 (or even 5.3) i suggest trying that [11:27] <Shpoon> they are all stable now AFAIK [11:27] <johnmorr> nod Shpoon [11:27] <MrVi> kevinUofA: although once in awhile, i start getting segfaults for one particular page.. that happens like once per month though [11:28] <MrVi> kevinUofA: I want to give xcache a try, since it's from the lighttpd folks [11:28] <kevinUofA> johnmorr: I'm not sure what version we're running offhand but when I build this new server I'll use the latest & greatest [11:29] <kevinUofA> MrVi: I'll give apc and the latest eaccelerator a try. I expect one or both will work just fine. [11:29] <cjh> I think we're ready for the next agenda item, though of course this discussion can/should continue here or on the mailing list [11:29] <kevinUofA> sounds good [11:30] <cjh> The next item on the agenda: Google Summer of Code [11:30] <duckslo> I run xcache + php 5.2.5. + lighttpd. With php5 object oriented programs are faster, but the really big step for me was to switch from apache to lighttpd [11:30] <duckslo> Btw, php 5.2.6 is in rc1 state already [11:30] <cjh> We participated in summer of code the first two years, with mixed results [11:30] <cjh> we didn't last year, partially because of time and resources and because of our experiences before [11:31] <cjh> I'd really like to see us involved again this year [11:31] <cjh> however, my wife is due soon so I'll be a bit busy over the summer :) [11:31] <kevinUofA> Congrats! [11:31] <cjh> I'm happy to coordinate, but shouldn't take on mentoring more than _maybe_ one student [11:31] <cjh> so I'm hoping that others can step in as mentors this year. [11:32] <cjh> (thanks!) [11:32] <cjh> I think it'd be especially cool if some of the universities could help mentor, and/or recruit students to apply to work on Horde [11:32] <yunosh> i'll probably mentor too, though it collides a bit with vacation and LinuxTag [11:33] <selsky> what commitment is needed to mentor? [11:34] <cjh> working with a student, staying in close coordination, getting them involved in the general horde community [11:34] <cjh> reviewing their work, etc. [11:34] <cjh> I don't see specific guidelines here, but I might be missing them: [11:34] <yunosh> and keep nudging them :) [11:35] <cjh> <a href="http://code.google.com/soc/2008/faqs.html">http://code.google.com/soc/2008/faqs.html</a> [11:37] <yunosh> silence [11:37] <yunosh> are we through with this topic? [11:37] <kevinUofA> (reading the link) [11:38] <cjh> liamr, kevinUofA - you're the university folks here today. Do you think you could be involved in this in some fashion? [11:38] <liamr> do students suggest the applications they want to work at, or do we generate this? [11:38] <liamr> (sorry i'm quiet, i've got a real life meeting right now about our deployment of Horde 3.2 :)) [11:38] <yunosh> both is possible [11:38] <cjh> liamr: both. we post a list of ideas, but students are free to suggest their own project ideas as well [11:38] <cjh> liamr: heh, understood. Things are crazy at my work also. [11:40] <kevinUofA> What kind of supervision is generally required? Is there any financial commitment by the university? [11:40] <cjh> No, no financial committment [11:40] <cjh> mentors get a stipend, as do students [11:40] <selsky> selsky: don't i count as a university folk too? [11:41] <cjh> The supervision is community mentoring (not necessarily in person of course) [11:41] <yunosh> kevinUofA: no, not at all, just bein available [11:41] <cjh> Oops, sorry Matt. Yes, you count too. I guess I was putting you in the developer category [11:41] <yunosh> and a cool t-shirt [11:41] <kevinUofA> Do we provide workspace or do students work on their own and just check in with us?> [11:42] <cjh> kevinUofA: it's entirely distributed - no in-person stuff is required [11:42] <yunosh> they work on their own [11:42] <cjh> i mean, it's great if someone happens to be local, but that's not a requirement at all [11:42] <yunosh> all you actually have to provide is an email address with a person behind it [11:43] <liamr> i think were there students at UMich that wanted to participate in a horde specific SoC project, we could help shepherd them. [11:43] <yunosh> and the time commitment of course [11:43] <kevinUofA> well I'm sure we could find a computing science student to work on something... I'll have to run it past the powers that be. [11:44] <liamr> (again with buy in from people above me) [11:44] <kevinUofA> I'm not sure if I'd be available to mentor though... if I got another horde admin to be the mentor would that be okay (they're not developer-types at all tho)? [11:44] <Shpoon> I would be willing to help a formal sponsors with students (especially if it deals with the mail apps), but I don't feel I have the ability to sponsor a student by myself [11:44] <cjh> Okay. We can definitely use secondary mentors. [11:44] <cjh> I'll try and work with Jan to get us registered as a mentoring organization [11:44] <cjh> and we'll go from there I think. [11:45] <cjh> Any more questions before we move on? [11:45] <kevinUofA> probably... but I'll take them offline [11:45] <cjh> Cool. [11:45] <cjh> This is a small agenda item, but I wanted to plug Planet Horde to everyone here [11:45] <cjh> <a href="http://planet.horde.org/">http://planet.horde.org/</a> [11:46] <cjh> if anyone has a blog with horde-related content, especially horde-related content that has a unique tag/feed, please let me know, and we'll add it. [11:46] <kevinUofA> looks good! [11:47] <MrVi> next time i post anything horde related i'll let you know and maybe add the tag to the planet [11:47] <Shpoon> I should really get around to having blog explaining what I am curently breaking... [11:47] <kevinUofA> hehe I'm with ya there Shpoon [11:47] <MrVi> then you would break your blog [11:47] <duckslo> Planet horde should be integrated with main horde site not being a standalone portal. [11:47] <yunosh> heh [11:48] <cjh> duckslo: the feed is on the main home page [11:49] <cjh> and at some point hopefully the volume will be a bit high for the main page [11:49] <kevinUofA> that site-specific browser topic is pretty cool... I may put that up as a tip for our users once I try it out. [11:50] <cjh> it's been great for me - no crashes, and complete isolation from other browser wonkiness [11:50] <cjh> and of course for schools or companies, you can distribute a browser with the URL already set, a custom icon, etc. [11:51] <kevinUofA> that's something I'll use extensively just for my own testing [11:51] <cjh> Alright, that brings us to questions/open floor. [11:51] <duckslo> Oky. Better then noting :) But I am still favour to the idea of not having multiply sub-pages but al linked together in a general site. We should have more dynamic content on the first page. [11:51] <kevinUofA> We mentioned OSCON last meeting. Have we decided on a definitive meeting there? [11:52] <cjh> duckslo: I agree with that, definitely. [11:52] <cjh> kevinUofA: no, nothing has been decided. [11:52] <cjh> for me, the baby puts travel this summer/fall a bit up in the air [11:53] <kevinUofA> yeah for sure. I've gotten the OK to go so I'll be there so that's why I'm wondering [11:53] <cjh> Also the fact that my day job involves election-related work and several of our clients are heavily involved in the U.S. election cycle, and probaby will be through November :) [11:53] <cjh> Cool. I'd love to go, but am having trouble seeing clearly more than a week ahead right now [11:55] <kevinUofA> There's also, as we mentioned, LISA in november (I think) - though it's doubtful I can make that one due to classes (I'm working on my MBA part time) [11:57] <duckslo> I will like to come to US this year. ( Is every day cheaper :) ) So deciding the conference will really help me plan the trip. [11:58] <cjh> okay :) keep prodding us, then [11:58] <cjh> I'll try and talk to my wife and boss and see what I can do. [11:58] <cjh> anyone have anything else? We seem to be fading out today [11:59] <duckslo> I think that someone should write a blog after the meeting just to track and explain the decided points. So things don't go forgotten. [11:59] <kevinUofA> Nope. I'll set up the test server and play with it a bit - most of my 3.2 questions will be answered (or created) from that [12:00] <cjh> duckslo: Okay. I'll post the minutes like last time, and can try and write up a summary as well. [12:00] <kevinUofA> and I'll be in touch, Chuck, re: summer of code [12:00] <cjh> kevinUofA: great, on both counts [12:00] <MrVi> okay, when's the next meeting? [12:01] <kevinUofA> do we want to establish a regular meeting schedule (ie 1st tuesday of the month)? [12:02] <cjh> I thought we did that :) [12:02] <MrVi> ok [12:02] <kevinUofA> oh! my bad - hehe... that's me paying attention ;) [12:02] <cjh> so, next meeting would be April fools day :) [12:02] <cjh> same time, same place [12:02] <MrVi> so see you all on the fool's day [12:02] <kevinUofA> excellent (and approriate) [12:03] <yunosh> see you next time [12:03] <kevinUofA> Ciao everyone [12:03] <Shpoon> bye [12:03] <cjh> Thanks everyone! [12:04] <yunosh> bye </body> </html>