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[11:31] <kevinUofA> Good morning everyone
[11:31] <mrubinsk> Good morning
[11:34] <yunosh> good evening
[11:37] <cjh> Hi folks
[11:38] <cjh> we move the time, my 11am meeting is cancelled anyway, and I'm still late because of questions
[11:38] <cjh> ahhh well.
[11:38] <kevinUofA> hehe
[11:40] <cjh> Anyone else here?
[11:41] <yunosh> yes, we've just been waiting for you :)
[11:41] <yunosh> actually only michael raised his voice so far
[11:41] <cjh> and Kevin
[11:41] <yunosh> yes, but you've seen that. :) ah, you even joined earlier, nm
[11:45] <cjh> i'm getting pulled into another emergency meeting
[11:45] <cjh> i'll try and come back
[11:45] <cjh> otherwise, please try and talk about the software conservancy
[11:45] <cjh> and anything else that comes up
[11:47] <yunosh> alright, so let's start with the conservancy
[11:47] <yunosh> as a reminder, http://conservancy.softwarefreedom.org/ is what we talk about
[11:48] <yunosh> and whether horde should join them to get some legal entiy
[11:48] <yunosh> there hasn't been much discussion on the board list
[11:48] <yunosh> so, does anybody want to chime in now?
[11:49] <kevinUofA> Well what might be a disadvantage of joining?
[11:49] <mrubinsk> I think my reply was on the dev list, so to reiterate, I'm in favor of it :)
[11:50] <yunosh> kevinUofA: none afaics. it's rather the question if it would be better to join a different organization, or do the legal stuff ourselves
[11:51] <yunosh> if we decide to join, that still doesn't mean they'll accept us :)
[11:51] <protagonist> morning
[11:51] <kevinUofA> well doing it ourselves would be a fair amount of work... do we have anyone that CAN do it? what other organizations are in the running?
[11:51] <yunosh> hi andrew
[11:52] <yunosh> i guess the only one with the minimum knowledge to do this would be michael slusarz, being a lawyer
[11:52] <yunosh> but i doubt he has the time or interest to do it
[11:52] <yunosh> alternatives are http://fsfe.org/projects/ftf/fla.en.html
[11:53] <protagonist> what are Horde's financial and legal needs?
[11:53] <yunosh> well, that is the only altenative
[11:54] <yunosh> we don't have any special needs at the moment, i think. that's why we have time to decide
[11:54] <protagonist> ok
[11:54] <yunosh> but we already had one case where an organization didn't want to assign us the copyright of their horde code because we are no entity
[11:54] <mrubinsk> I think the two big pluses for this are for situations where ... yea what yunosh is saying
[11:54] <yunosh> and tax exempt could trigger more donations
[11:54] <protagonist> ah ok
[11:54] <mrubinsk> ..and that's the other one :)
[11:55] <kevinUofA> well those are definitely good reasons...
[11:55] <yunosh> FLA would get us the same entity solution, but i'm not sure if they handle tax exempts
[11:55] <protagonist> both of those organizations seem pretty good to me
[11:56] <yunosh> but maybe it's a good opportunity for the board member to check with their own legal departments whether this makes any sense
[11:56] <yunosh> :)
[11:56] <kevinUofA> is there any reason to choose FLA over the conservancy?
[11:57] <yunosh> most of this is only interesting for the us market anyway, since copyrights can't be assigned in europe, and us tax exempt doesn't matter here either
[11:58] <yunosh> i think regarding offering a legal entity they both are basically the same, though ianal, so any external feedback would be appreciated
[11:58] <protagonist> I'm not qualified to say  :)
[11:59] <yunosh> FSF(E) is better known, but the conserverncy has some prominent members now, so i have more trust into them than when they started
[12:00] <yunosh> so, does anyone have any lawyer or similar at hand who can give a more educated opinion on those two alternatives?
[12:01] <kevinUofA> unfortunately not...
[12:01] <yunosh> otherwise we are probably goin to decide on a gut level
[12:02] <yunosh> but i take your comments as a general agreement to join any of those?
[12:02] <kevinUofA> it seems like a good idea...
[12:04] <yunosh> okay, what else do we have on the agenda=
[12:04] <yunosh> ?
[12:04] <protagonist> I didn't see an agenda in the email
[12:05] <yunosh> correct :)
[12:05] <yunosh> i rather meant our personal agendas :)
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[12:05] <protagonist> my personal agenda involves updating my own Horde install to the latest releases  :)
[12:06] <kevinUofA> mine too
[12:06] <yunosh> heh, should we discuss this too? ;)
[12:06] <kevinUofA> and trying to figure out why our DB tables keep corrupting
[12:06] <mrubinsk> Was there anything to discuss with regards to the Community Manager idea?
[12:08] <yunosh> probably, but i'm completely out of this topic. this is chuck's and ben's area
[12:08] <yunosh> maybe a few news then, for those that don't follow our blogs
[12:08] <mrubinsk> k
[12:09] <yunosh> michael and i are twittering now: http://twitter.com/yunosh http://twitter.com/mrubinsk
[12:09] <yunosh> we have new (additional) shops: http://horde.spreadshirt.net/ http://horde.spreadshirt.com/
[12:10] <yunosh> my talks on the FISL conference in Brazil later this month have been confirmed :)
[12:10] <yunosh> and the ajax calendar is making large progress
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[12:10] <yunosh> anything important i missed?
[12:10] <kevinUofA> oooh tell me more about the calendar
[12:11] <yunosh> don't you know anything about yet?
[12:11] <kevinUofA> I knew there was an initiative with portugal telecom or something - that's as much as I had heard
[12:12] <yunosh> well, the base functionality is there, i.e. the interface with day/week/month/year/agenda/task views
[12:12] <yunosh> the task and year views are not complete yet
[12:12] <yunosh> you can drag and drop and resize events
[12:12] <yunosh> ah, searching is working too
[12:13] <yunosh> and of course it's all dynamic, event loading in the background, switching calendars on and off etc
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[12:14] <kevinUofA> very cool.
[12:15] <kevinUofA> is there a target date for a beta?
[12:16] <yunosh> not for a release. it was supposed to go to beta on their site by the end of june, but that date probably can't be hold
[12:20] <cjh> http://twitter.com/chuckhagenbuch - one of these days I'll post about horde_date_parser
[12:20] <cjh> i'm dizzy from lack of food - have to go get lunch
[12:20] <cjh> sorry for flaking again
[12:21] <yunosh> well, i don't have any topics left either
[12:21] <yunosh> anyone?
[12:21] <mrubinsk> I've got nothing :)
[12:21] <kevinUofA> not me
[12:21] <protagonist> not me
[12:22] <yunosh> cool, then thanks for joining and giving your input. and see if you could find some more input on the conservancy vs. fla thingie
[12:23] <kevinUofA> sounds good
[12:23] <yunosh> i won't be there in a month, but will probably be lying on a beach in rio :)
[12:23] <kevinUofA> nice!!
[12:23] <yunosh> so, see you in two months
[12:23] <mrubinsk> what, no WiFi in Rio? :P
[12:24] <yunosh> i will hide my laptop in a solid hotel safe ;)
[12:24] <mrubinsk> :)
[12:25] <kevinUofA> alrighty then - catch you guys next month
[12:25] <kevinUofA> (or two ;))
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[12:27] <mrubinsk> alright, thanks and good day all
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