[horde] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Interface design Horde 4.1/5.0

[Andreas Mauser]

Hi,

----- Nachricht von Gunnar Wrobel <wrobel at horde.org> ---------
   Datum: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:48:56 +0000
     Von: Gunnar Wrobel <wrobel at horde.org>
Betreff: Re: [horde] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Interface design Horde 4.1/5.0
      An: horde at lists.horde.org


> Zitat von Louis-Philippe Allard <lp.allard.1 at gmail.com>:
>
>> On 2012-04-24 1:13 PM, "Jānis" <je at ktf.rtu.lv> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Citējot Louis-Philippe Allard <lp.allard.1 at gmail.com>
>>> Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:18:02 -0400:
>>>
>>>
>>>> What do they find annoying with the dynamic view? ?  Apart a few bugs I
>>>> find it very easy to use.. sure there are some space left for improvement
>>>> but that's why horde 5 will be better!
>>>
>>>
>>> it's difficult to say - some just asked whether the previous (traditional
>> look) isn't around anymore, some expressed personal frustration... I can't
>> give a technical "disliked because this or that did not work", so i found
>> it much easier to issue "technical advice" how to get traditional view back
>> on desktop.
>>>
>>> Besides, I think if the job is done, it is absolutely unimportant whether
>> one used bells and whistles or just "traditional" tools. To my and my
>> colleague's mind, forced introduction of something "cool" which makes just
>> visual changes is the last thing to do in well functioning system.
>>>
>>> Janis
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> Im absolutely against bells and whistles that's why I left windows forever
>> and went for Linux but that's out of topic..
>>
>> I agree if the system is functional and runs smooth then don't touch it.
>> However I can't say its the case with horde at this point.
>>
>> I personally think the horde devs and leaders should focus on simplicity in
>> the code and features,
>
> Code yes, features not so much. Horde traditionally offers a lot of  
> features as compared to comparable solutions. I don't think this  
> will change in the future.
>
>> improve the administrative side for admins but also
>> for the end users,  and very importantly the upgrade and migratory
>> processes.  Each time ive upgraded horde with the simple command pear
>> upgrade -a -B yada yada,  ive ended up losing some configuration, I had
>> sync problems with my Android phone,  or something broke..
>
> That is definitely not intended. Horde 4.0 was a major step for us  
> because we moved from a very cumbersome upgrade system to the PEAR  
> based system. This should reduce the upgrade procedure to the  
> command you mentioned and a click in the admin menu. "losing some  
> configuration" should definitely not happen as long as you use the  
> *.local.php files. "something broke" probably means that we failed  
> and introduced a new bug in our line of stable releases. We were not  
> as stable the last year than we were used to be. We probably also  
> have to get used to the new way of releasing the packages. While it  
> is much quicker than before it should of course not introduce new  
> instabilities. Concerning synchronization: This is an advanced  
> topic. Expecting this to be rock solid will probably not be too easy  
> for quite some time. This is an area with frequent bugfixes as there  
> are so many different clients out there. I don't know if additional  
> unit testing in that area might help the stability for that feature.


Just to mention that it would help if the developers and the community  
working (and testing) together and bringing online a  
horde.org/sync_compatibility page (if possible) where the compatible  
devices and sync client versions are stated.

It really took me some time and nerves to find the correct client and  
client version to sync fine on my Blackberry. I even bought the  
Nexthaus client, which I personally dont suggest, because for me it  
didnt work at all.
Today I dont have problems with synching H4 with my BB Bold 9700 and  
the Funambol Client v10.0.1.

Andreas