[dev] Re: [cvs] commit: kronolith/po de.po kronolith/locale/de/LC_MESSAGESkronolith.mo

Jan Schneider janmailing@gmx.de
Sat, 30 Jun 2001 19:09:08 +0200


Hi,

Since this is an English speaking mailing list, I will answer in English.

Question was if we are using imp, turba and kronolith in a production 
environment.
I'm using these apps currently only for private use, but will probably set up a 
modified turba for one of our customers.

Kronolith's state is a rather alpha one, but imp and turba was already reported 
to run on quite large systems.

Jan.

A few words in German: Falls Englisch doch die falsche Sprache war, kannst Du 
mir auch gerne direkt mailen. Ansonsten gibt es auch eigene Mailinglisten für 
imp und turba, vielleicht wäre das eine ganz gute Quelle, um mehr über 
bestehende Einsatzgebiete zur erfahren.
Guten Flug! ;-)

Zitat von Carsten Guenther <cguenther@guenthers.net>:

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> 
> setzen Sie IMP 2.3.x, turba & kronolith bereits in einem
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Subject: kronolith/po/Makefile

Hello,

The new Makefile, which hooks the Horde translationfile to the application
translationfiles, seems to work well!
I also tested it on Nag and Gollem.
I think it can be ported to the other applications.

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Subject: Re: [dev] kronolith/po/Makefile

The only problem is, it assumes horde to be in the parent directory of the 
apps. But since the make will mainly be run by developers that should be no 
problem.

Jan.

Zitat von Jan Kuipers <jrkuipers@lauwerscollege.nl>:

> Hello,
> 
> The new Makefile, which hooks the Horde translationfile to the application
> translationfiles, seems to work well!
> I also tested it on Nag and Gollem.
> I think it can be ported to the other applications.
> 
> -- 
> Jan Kuipers,
> Systeembeheer Lauwers College
> 
> -- 
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Subject: Horde translation problem

Hello,

I know this has been an issue before, but I'm still having problems with 
gettextstrings from the Horde framework (p.e. 
from /horde/templates/login/user.inc). The strings are, or sometimes are not, 
translated.
This occurs totaly random. This does not occur within a Horde application.

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Subject: Small Nag patch

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Hello,

Attached is a small patch for nag/templates/list/actions.inc

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Subject: Re: [dev] Horde translation problem

Even with the new makefile and a server restart?

Zitat von Jan Kuipers <jrkuipers@lauwerscollege.nl>:

> Hello,
> 
> I know this has been an issue before, but I'm still having problems with 
> gettextstrings from the Horde framework (p.e. 
> from /horde/templates/login/user.inc). The strings are, or sometimes are not,
> 
> translated.
> This occurs totaly random. This does not occur within a Horde application.
> 
> -- 
> Jan Kuipers,
> Systeembeheer Lauwers College
> 
> -- 
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> Frequently Asked Questions: http://horde.org/faq/
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Subject: Re: [dev] Small Nag patch

Citeren Jan Kuipers <jrkuipers@lauwerscollege.nl>:

> Hello,
> 
> Attached is a small patch for nag/templates/list/actions.inc
> 
> -- 
> Jan Kuipers,
> Systeembeheer Lauwers College
> 

................... listserver :(

actions.inc.diff

-------------<snip>------------------------
--- actions.inc	Mon Jun  4 23:49:13 2001
+++ -	Mon Jul  2 11:28:52 2001
@@ -3,7 +3,7 @@
 <tr>
     <td align="left" nowrap="nowrap">
         <select name="action<?= ++$i ?>" onchange="chooseAction(<?= $i ?>); document.list.action<?= $i ?>.selectedIndex = 0;">
-            <option selected="selected">Choose Action:</option>
+            <option selected="selected"><?= _("Choose Action:") ?></option>
             <option value="<?= NAG_DELETE_TASKS ?>"><?= _("Delete Tasks") ?></option>
         </select>
         <?php if ($conf['user']['online_help'] && $browser->hasFeature('javascript')) echo Help::link('nag', 'list-actions') ?>
-------------------<snip>--------------------

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Subject: Re: [dev] Horde translation problem

Citeren Jan Schneider <janmailing@gmx.de>:

> Even with the new makefile and a server restart?

Yes. (this problem exist for a longer time)

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Subject: Re: [dev] Horde translation problem

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> Citeren Jan Schneider <janmailing@gmx.de>:
> 
> > Even with the new makefile and a server restart?
> 
> Yes. (this problem exist for a longer time)

It happens (sometimes!) after klicking from an application to the Horde 
framework or after a reload.

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Subject: Re: [dev] Small Nag patch

Commited.

Zitat von Jan Kuipers <jrkuipers@lauwerscollege.nl>:

> Citeren Jan Kuipers <jrkuipers@lauwerscollege.nl>:
> 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Attached is a small patch for nag/templates/list/actions.inc
> > 
> > -- 
> > Jan Kuipers,
> > Systeembeheer Lauwers College
> > 
> 
> ................... listserver :(
> 
> actions.inc.diff
> 
> -------------<snip>------------------------
> --- actions.inc	Mon Jun  4 23:49:13 2001
> +++ -	Mon Jul  2 11:28:52 2001
> @@ -3,7 +3,7 @@
>  <tr>
>      <td align="left" nowrap="nowrap">
>          <select name="action<?= ++$i ?>" onchange="chooseAction(<?= $i ?>);
> document.list.action<?= $i ?>.selectedIndex = 0;">
> -            <option selected="selected">Choose Action:</option>
> +            <option selected="selected"><?= _("Choose Action:")
> ?></option>
>              <option value="<?= NAG_DELETE_TASKS ?>"><?= _("Delete Tasks")
> ?></option>
>          </select>
>          <?php if ($conf['user']['online_help'] &&
> $browser->hasFeature('javascript')) echo Help::link('nag', 'list-actions')
> ?>
> -------------------<snip>--------------------
> 
> -- 
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Subject: Small Gollem patch

Hello,

A small patch for gollem/templates/manager/actions.inc

actions.inc.diff
--------------------<snip>----------------
--- actions.inc	Fri Jun 15 07:53:59 2001
+++ -	Mon Jul  2 11:55:23 2001
@@ -5,7 +5,7 @@
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     <td align="left" nowrap="nowrap">
         <select name="action<?= ++$i ?>" onchange="chooseAction(<?= $i ?>); document.manager.action<?= $i ?>.selectedIndex = 0;">
-            <option selected="selected">Choose Action:</option>
+            <option selected="selected"><?= _("Choose Action:") ?></option>
             <option value="<?= CREATE_FOLDER ?>"><?= _("Create Folder") ?></option>
             <?php if (@count($list)): ?>
             <option value="<?= RENAME_ITEMS ?>"><?= _("Rename Items") ?></option>
--------------------<snip>-------------------

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Subject: Re: [dev] Small Gollem patch

Commited.

Thanks, Jan.


Zitat von Jan Kuipers <jrkuipers@lauwerscollege.nl>:

> Hello,
> 
> A small patch for gollem/templates/manager/actions.inc
> 
> actions.inc.diff
> --------------------<snip>----------------
> --- actions.inc	Fri Jun 15 07:53:59 2001
> +++ -	Mon Jul  2 11:55:23 2001
> @@ -5,7 +5,7 @@
>  <tr>
>      <td align="left" nowrap="nowrap">
>          <select name="action<?= ++$i ?>" onchange="chooseAction(<?= $i ?>);
> document.manager.action<?= $i ?>.selectedIndex = 0;">
> -            <option selected="selected">Choose Action:</option>
> +            <option selected="selected"><?= _("Choose Action:")
> ?></option>
>              <option value="<?= CREATE_FOLDER ?>"><?= _("Create Folder")
> ?></option>
>              <?php if (@count($list)): ?>
>              <option value="<?= RENAME_ITEMS ?>"><?= _("Rename Items")
> ?></option>
> --------------------<snip>-------------------
> 
> -- 
> Jan Kuipers,
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Subject: select fields in compose

Hi,

does anybody see a reason why not to use style="width:" instead of size= in the 
input fields of the compose window?
This will be necessary for a nicer ui if we use select boxes for the identities 
or selection of ambigous recipients.

I have some code sitting around to choose the recipients out of a list if 
expand names returns more than one match.

But there are a lot of things to discuss:

- How to handle if there is more than one recipient and expand returns ambigous 
results for one ore more of them? Let the user select from every combination? 
Or insert a select field for every recipient?

- How can we let the user change the recipient manually if expand returns more 
than one address but not the one that was intended?

- Similar with the From: field: How to let the user change the sender line if 
nothing of his identities matches?

A solution for the latter two might be to use javascript and an additional 
entry in the select list "Enter manually..." that pops up a javascript input 
dialog where the user can edit or insert the appropriate data manually.

Any thoughts? More things to consider?

Jan.


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Subject: Re: [dev] Horde translation problem

Quoting Jan Kuipers <jrkuipers@lauwerscollege.nl>:

> It happens (sometimes!) after klicking from an application to the Horde
> framework or after a reload.

Can you make any sense out of when it does and doesn't happen?

-chuck

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Subject: Re: [dev] identities

Quoting Jan Schneider <janmailing@gmx.de>:

> I thought about it. But I decided to see the identity ui as actually two
> seperate dialogs that work on their own and thus should only interact on
> explicit request. That's the same reason why I choose to have two back
> buttons?

If you think they should be seperate, then they should show up on seperate 
pages. Don't present completely seperate things to the user at the same time. 
If they're presented at the same time, they automatically look related and 
should act that way.

> Since I created the dialog to also work without javascipt, that would be no 
> good idea. I think Save is good compromise between Create and Update.

If you're planning on somehow making sure that _all_ of IMP works without 
javascript, then I think that's a noble goal. But unless you do that (and maybe 
until), I'd rather see the UI be consistent; the way the filters UI works is 
more intuitive to the user.

Also, as a general trend, I'd like to see javascript used _more_ in Horde to 
make forms smarter and easier for the user (a good example is the way the 
Kronolith event forms auto-fill/select things for you). This doesn't mean we 
have to rely on it - everything works without that javascript - but javascript 
isn't going away anytime soon.

-chuck

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Subject: Re: [dev] kronolith/po/Makefile

Quoting Jan Schneider <janmailing@gmx.de>:

> The only problem is, it assumes horde to be in the parent directory of the 
> apps. But since the make will mainly be run by developers that should be no 
> problem.

The Horde directory should be defined in a variable; that way we can set it 
with a configure script or commmand line arg if such becomes necessary. I'll 
take a look at it when I have a chance - maybe this afternoon.

-chuck

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Subject: Re: [dev] Horde translation problem

Quoting Jan Kuipers <jrkuipers@lauwerscollege.nl>:

> I know this has been an issue before, but I'm still having problems with
> gettextstrings from the Horde framework (p.e. 
> from /horde/templates/login/user.inc). The strings are, or sometimes are not, 
> translated.
> This occurs totaly random. This does not occur within a Horde
> application.

What do you mean, it doesn't occur within a Horde application? Can you at least 
list some circumstances about when it does and doesn't happen, and on what 
pages?

-chuck

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Subject: Re: [dev] Horde translation problem

Citeren Chuck Hagenbuch <chuck@horde.org>:

> Can you make any sense out of when it does and doesn't happen?

No :(
It's completely random. It's looks the same problem I had with IMP a while ago.

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Subject: Re: [dev] Horde translation problem

Citeren Chuck Hagenbuch <chuck@horde.org>:

> What do you mean, it doesn't occur within a Horde application?

Within IMP, Turba, Nag, Kronolith and Gollem the translations work flawlessly.
 
> list some circumstances about when it does and doesn't happen

No

> and on what pages?

The header in the "summary screen" in the Horde framework, which says "Welcome, some user" ......... "Logout"

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Subject: Re: [cvs] commit: imp/po ...

Quoting Jan Schneider <jan@ammma.de>:

>     locale/nl/LC_MESSAGES nag.mo 

General note: .mo files are binary. Make sure you add them with cvs add -kb.

-chuck

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Subject: Re: [dev] alarms

Quoting Jan Schneider <janmailing@gmx.de>:

> I'm currently trying to implement alarms into kronolith.
> Setting alarms into and reading alarms out of events is no problem. But
> mcal_list_events returns no events at all. 

You mean mcal_list_alarms()?

> I'm not sure if the bug is in mstore or php. Would anybody who has more
> knowledge of C than me have a look at mstore_search_alarm in mstore.c and 
> mcal_list_alarms in php_mcal.c?

mstore_search_alarm was horribly broken in mstore until quite recently. What 
version of mstore do you have?

-chuck

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Subject: Re: [dev] select fields in compose

Quoting Jan Schneider <janmailing@gmx.de>:

> does anybody see a reason why not to use style="width:" instead of size= in 
> the input fields of the compose window?

As long as it works in all of our current browsers, it's fine with me (to the 
extent that all of our style sheet stuff works in current browsers).

> - How to handle if there is more than one recipient and expand returns
> ambigous results for one ore more of them? Let the user select from every
> combination? Or insert a select field for every recipient?

One set of selection widgets (whatever those end up being) for every recipient. 
http://chuck.bitgroup.com/weboutlook-compose.gif is a screenshot of weboutlook; 
I think that's a very reasonable way to do it.

> - How can we let the user change the recipient manually if expand
> returns more than one address but not the one that was intended?

Just include an Other: option in the list.

> - Similar with the From: field: How to let the user change the sender line if 
> nothing of his identities matches?

How about having a "Custom:" or "New:" option in the identity menu? (Custom is 
probably better since it doesn't imply saving the identity).

> A solution for the latter two might be to use javascript and an additional 
> entry in the select list "Enter manually..." that pops up a javascript input 
> dialog where the user can edit or insert the appropriate data manually.

Ah, okay... like I said. :) Why would you need a seperate window, though? It'd 
just blank the appropriate auto-filled fields for you, right?

-chuck

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