[dev] Installation Thoughts

[Andy Dorman]

On 10/18/2013 05:56 AM, Mathieu Parent wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
> 2013/10/17 Michael M Slusarz <slusarz at horde.org>:
>> Going through our installation process on a Debian VM (specifically using a
>> distro that has given us issues), and here's what I think so far.  (This is
>> simply on the PEAR install process - this is independent of
>> configuring/running any of our code.)
>
> (with my Debian packager hat).
>
> Shouldn't the recommended way to install Horde on distributions be
> using the native package manager?
>
> For Debian jessie, this can be done with:
> apt-get install php-horde-webmail # for example
>
> Complete instructions (including Debian 7) are at: https://wiki.debian.org/Horde
>
> This provide better upgrade mechanism as well as proper dependency
> tracking (PEAR lacks in those both areas, and Composer is not really
> better).
>
>> * Two immediate fatal flaws I see.  beta/alpha packages are NEVER installed
>> and packages from foreign channels are NEVER installed.  At least with the
>> default PEAR settings on Debian 7.
>
> This seems a reasonable default.
>
> [...]
>>
>> This can be fixed by doing a force install (-f).  But I have to admit that,
>> as someone familiar with PEAR/PECL, this is not apparent to me at all.  For
>> someone -- i.e. pretty much every one else -- they are going to think that
>> horde_lz4 is properly installed on their system.
>
> Yes. PEAR is broken in handling PECL packages.
>
>> Takeaways from all this:
>>    1. Not saying we should remove -B, but we have to workaround this.
>
> Why don't you simply remove -B?
>
> [...]
>
> Regards
>

I want to just toss in that the Debain install from scratch is indeed as 
easy as described by Mathieu (thanks to his hard work).  I used Aptitude 
to install php-horde-webmail, set up my appropriate 
/etc/horde/*.local.php files along with nginx and php-fpm and was in 
business.

And upgrades for the last 8 months have been smooth and mostly painless 
(except for the problem with trean not reading it's prefs.php and having 
to deal with a db error caused by an empty $sortby value, which I have 
created a trouble ticket for)

Thanks to all you Horde maintainers.

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Andy Dorman
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