[horde] [dev] Horde 6 vs. Horde 5.3

Torben Dannhauer torben at dannhauer.info
Fri Jun 24 14:24:49 UTC 2016


since you mentioned the lack of developers, I would keep it simple. Whether now or in 6 month - users has to adopt to the removed basic view. I recommend to keep it simple and not to start splitted released or similar.

I personally hav no opinion about 5.3 or 6. I would like all new features releases soon, the name/version number is not important for me. 
If I got it correctly, the only difference in 6 vs 5.3 would be the repo splitting on the dev side, so maybe here you should ask the horde devs and not the users..


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Von: horde [mailto:horde-bounces at lists.horde.org] Im Auftrag von Michael J Rubinsky
Gesendet: Freitag, 24. Juni 2016 00:18
An: horde at lists.horde.org
Betreff: Re: [horde] [dev] Horde 6 vs. Horde 5.3

Quoting Steffen <skhorde at smail.inf.fh-bonn-rhein-sieg.de>:

> On Thu, 16 Jun 2016, Paco Orozco wrote:
>> We have a lot of users that have started using the calenda. The bugs 
>> and pending improvements of the current horde version are producing a 
>> lot of pressure to us to find an alternative.
>> Having a H5.3 version, with the development Kronolith version, will 
>> help us a lot. This could reduce the pressure from our users.
> that is one major point here as well. Users started to use Kronolith 
> widely (more than I expected, in fact), because of ActiveSync and 
> Cal/CardDAV.
> Besides client-side sync problems, one of the largest problem 
> currently is - don't take me wrong here - automatically sent 
> notifications for sync'ed actions. Because many users receive 
> appointments from Exchange, for which they do *not* want to sent 
> notifications to attendees again, because those are not "filtered 
> away" automatically by Exchange, but presented to the users as 
> message. For what reason ever. I thought Outlook / Exchange would 
> automagically accept those messages as reply and change the attendee 
> status of the appointment.
>>>>> The flipside is, that:
>>>>> - Horde 6 will delay even further
> Better stable than early

So, is this a vote for Horde 5.3 or Horde 6? The code base that will be Horde 5.3 is the same code base that would become Horde 6. So technically it will be released as stable earlier if we choose to release a Horde 5.3.

>>>> IMP in master is already labeled as 7 (not that this can't be
>>>> still a BC break). To my knowledge the only Horde code that had 
>>>> used this bit of information is ActiveSync, but it was refactored 
>>>> to use the new data anyway.
>>>> Then there is the fact that the basic and minimal views were 
>>>> completely removed in IMP and this might be too big a change to 
>>>> include in a point release.
> hm. some users do use Basic view here, because they do not use 
> JavaScript capable browsers for several purposes.

So, it sounds like people will miss the basic view. Since this is already removed Git, a new IMP release, be it a point or major release, would mean the loss of this view. Jan had suggested only releasing a subset of the applications in the 5.3 release cycle to deal with this. I would prefer a completely synchronized release since there has been so many changes/improvements to IMP. What about we release it, loudly announce the loss of basic view, but do NOT include it in the Webmail bundle so admins using the bundle at least would have to explicitly request the upgrade?

>>>> All that being said, I think the need to get Kronolith out, with 
>>>> the oft-requested fixes for scheduling, probably trumps all other 
>>>> concerns at this point, so I would say lets do the 5.3 release, 
>>>> with the understanding that nothing new gets added until the repo split happens.
> (Y)
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