[horde] Disable dynamic view
je at ktf.rtu.lv
je at ktf.rtu.lv
Mon Jun 28 12:10:49 UTC 2021
Actually, advice which worked 5 years ago turned out to be toxic now -
after following it at first i got "very basic" wiev - white page with
links to emails.
After I put the settings back in their previous form, now there is no
list of mail forlders on the left neither in dynamic (auto) or "basic
plus" - which looks almost like dynamic but w/o dynamic features. (tried
on three different browsers and wiped cache an cookiem manu times)
Plus, it seams now horde permits sending only 1 character long emails
restoring of database helped neither.
seems I should re-install it from scratch
>> Citēts Markus Winkler <ml at irmawi.de>
>> Sat, 26 Jun 2021 11:29:43 +0200:
>>
>>> Hi Jānis,
>>>
>>> On 26.06.21 00:10, Jānis wrote:
>>>> How can I disable dynamic view and/or make the regular(basic) one
default?
>>>>
>>>> I asked it already some 5 years ago, but can't locate the answer now.
>>>
>>> I think this was the answer at that time:
>>>
>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [horde] Disabling of dynamicmode
>>> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 08:33:57 +0100
>>> From: Arjen de Korte <arjen+horde at de-korte.org>
>>> To: horde at lists.horde.org
>>>
>>> Citeren Jānis <je at ktf.rtu.lv>:
>>>
>>>> Citēts Arjen de Korte <arjen+horde at de-korte.org>
>>>> Tue, 14 Mar 2017 21:09:20 +0100:
>>>>
>>>>> Citeren Jānis <je at ktf.rtu.lv>:
>>>>>> Is it possible to disable the dynamic mode in Horde config or, at
>>>>>> least - to make the basic view default and dynamic to be chosen
>>>>>> only manually?
>>>>>
>>>>> The basic view is obsolete and (as far as I know) will no longer be
>>>>> available when Horde 6 is released. The question here is, why do
>>>>> you want to be this the default?
>>>>
>>>> simple answer - we need a mail reading tool without (sorry)
>>>> distracting and pointless bells and whistles just because marketing
>>>> people thinks that "they look cool" and the "existing technologies
>>>> allows it". I remember the discussions on the new interface of horde
>>>> before the switch from 4 to 5 and whining that it looks obsolete.
>>>>
> I'm sorry, I fear it won't fit in very well what I am saying:
>
> A lot of years have passed since H5 release. While we have not yet
> eliminated the notion of separate views, we have definitely blurred
> the line between traditional view and dynamic view. We might as well
> get rid of that differentiation.
>
> The "minimal" view designed for very simple mobile devices has most
> likely outlived its purpose.
>
> The "mobile" view designed for then-current mobile phone experience
> is still useful as it makes Horde accessible for limited screens.
> It's however a certainly dated approach.
>
> All our views share that they are heavy on legacy technology. Horde's
> basic and dynamic views depend on protoypejs and scriptaculous,
> projects which can be considered dead and partly made unnecessary by
> modern javascript.
>
> As a senior advisor with a consulting company, I sometimes get asked
> about groupware or collaboration options, including eGroupware,
> horde, owncloud/nextcloud based solutions and, in the past at least,
> a lot of zarafa and tine.
>
> The market for a true FOSS, host-your-own solution has shrinked.
> Partly, companies simply do not want to burden themselves with the
> implications of running their own stack, partly, they find horde's UI
> dated and even the word "ugly" has been used. I am very aware of it.
> Horde's UI, even the dynamic one, never was about looking cool. It
> was all about making Webmail, Calendar etc a viable solution that
> could compete with user expectations on a still very desktop heavy
> environment. Today, most freemail web UIs are at least on par with
> horde, most likely even beyond. If you look at the mail UIs of Google
> Mail, Outlook Web Access & friends, they have a lot of resources
> behind their back and it shows. They allow working with mail in a way
> similar to desktop experiences. Even though I don't agree with their
> UI and usage philosophies in many cases.
>
> Ignoring the lack of manpower to get it done quickly, I am sure a
> little investment in using current UI technologies would be very much
> appreciated by the user - a UI which dynamically falls back to a
> presentation suitable for tablet or phone (or very limited desktop
> screens) or shows additional data where the screen allows it, backed
> by technology current day FOSS developers understand and are able to
> provide patches. However, there are even more urgent topics to
> address.
>
> The point I am trying to make: What are annoying patterns or
> usability issues which are specific to the Dynamic UI as opposed to
> the Traditional UI? I'd like to understand that and avoid making any
> mistakes when building a new UI aligned with Material UX guidelines.
>
> Oh and by the way, I just patched support for custom theme packs into
> H6 Composer deployment a few weeks ago...
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