[horde] Disable dynamic view

je at ktf.rtu.lv je at ktf.rtu.lv
Mon Jun 28 12:10:49 UTC 2021


Actually, advice which worked 5 years ago turned out to be toxic now - 
after following it at first i got "very basic" wiev - white page with 
links to emails.

After I put the settings back in their previous form, now there is no 
list of mail forlders on the left neither in dynamic (auto) or "basic 
plus" - which looks almost like dynamic but w/o dynamic features. (tried 
on three different browsers and wiped cache an cookiem manu times)

Plus, it seams now horde permits sending only 1 character long emails

restoring of database helped neither.

seems I should re-install it from scratch


 >> Citēts Markus Winkler <ml at irmawi.de>
 >> Sat, 26 Jun 2021 11:29:43 +0200:
 >>
 >>> Hi Jānis,
 >>>
 >>> On 26.06.21 00:10, Jānis wrote:
 >>>> How can I disable dynamic view and/or make the regular(basic) one 
default?
 >>>>
 >>>> I asked it already some 5 years ago, but can't locate the answer now.
 >>>
 >>> I think this was the answer at that time:
 >>>
 >>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
 >>> Subject: Re: [horde] Disabling of dynamicmode
 >>> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 08:33:57 +0100
 >>> From: Arjen de Korte <arjen+horde at de-korte.org>
 >>> To: horde at lists.horde.org
 >>>
 >>> Citeren Jānis <je at ktf.rtu.lv>:
 >>>
 >>>> Citēts Arjen de Korte <arjen+horde at de-korte.org>
 >>>> Tue, 14 Mar 2017 21:09:20 +0100:
 >>>>
 >>>>> Citeren Jānis <je at ktf.rtu.lv>:
 >>>>>> Is it possible to disable the dynamic mode in Horde config or, at
 >>>>>> least - to make the basic view default and dynamic to be chosen
 >>>>>> only manually?
 >>>>>
 >>>>> The basic view is obsolete and (as far as I know) will no longer be
 >>>>> available when Horde 6 is released. The question here is, why do
 >>>>> you want to be this the default?
 >>>>
 >>>> simple answer - we need a mail reading tool without (sorry)
 >>>> distracting and pointless bells and whistles just because marketing
 >>>> people thinks that  "they look cool" and the "existing technologies
 >>>> allows it". I remember the discussions on the new interface of horde
 >>>> before the switch from 4 to 5 and whining that it looks obsolete.
 >>>>
 > I'm sorry, I fear it won't fit in very well what I am saying:
 >
 > A lot of years have passed since H5 release. While we have not yet
 > eliminated the notion of separate views, we have definitely blurred
 > the line between traditional view and dynamic view. We might as well
 > get rid of that differentiation.
 >
 > The "minimal" view designed for very simple mobile devices has most
 > likely outlived its purpose.
 >
 > The "mobile" view designed for then-current mobile phone experience
 > is still useful as it makes Horde accessible for limited screens.
 > It's however a certainly dated approach.
 >
 > All our views share that they are heavy on legacy technology. Horde's
 > basic and dynamic views depend on protoypejs and scriptaculous,
 > projects which can be considered dead and partly made unnecessary by
 > modern javascript.
 >
 > As a senior advisor with a consulting company, I sometimes get asked
 > about groupware or collaboration options, including eGroupware,
 > horde, owncloud/nextcloud based solutions and, in the past at least,
 > a lot of zarafa and tine.
 >
 > The market for a true FOSS, host-your-own solution has shrinked.
 > Partly, companies simply do not want to burden themselves with the
 > implications of running their own stack, partly, they find horde's UI
 > dated and even the word "ugly" has been used. I am very aware of it.
 > Horde's UI, even the dynamic one, never was about looking cool. It
 > was all about making Webmail, Calendar etc a viable solution that
 > could compete with user expectations on a still very desktop heavy
 > environment. Today, most freemail web UIs are at least on par with
 > horde, most likely even beyond. If you look at the mail UIs of Google
 > Mail, Outlook Web Access & friends, they have a lot of resources
 > behind their back and it shows. They allow working with mail in a way
 > similar to desktop experiences. Even though I don't agree with their
 > UI and usage philosophies in many cases.
 >
 > Ignoring the lack of manpower to get it done quickly, I am sure a
 > little investment in using current UI technologies would be very much
 > appreciated by the user - a UI which dynamically falls back to a
 > presentation suitable for tablet or phone (or very limited desktop
 > screens) or shows additional data where the screen allows it, backed
 > by technology current day FOSS developers understand and are able to
 > provide patches. However, there are even more urgent topics to
 > address.
 >
 > The point I am trying to make: What are annoying patterns or
 > usability issues which are specific to the Dynamic UI as opposed to
 > the Traditional UI? I'd like to understand that and avoid making any
 > mistakes when building a new UI aligned with Material UX guidelines.
 >
 > Oh and by the way, I just patched support for custom theme packs into
 > H6 Composer deployment a few weeks ago...








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