[horde] Request to the community

[Christoph Haas]

Hi all,

why not moving to Codeberg.org?

It's a german non-profit, community-led effort that provides services to free and open-source projects.
Hosting in Europe (GDPR-/DSGVO-compliant). They use Forgejo etc. This should give the 
Horde-project all necessary freedom and independence needed.
... but this are just my 2ct
Christoph.

Am 03.07.26 um 18:44 schrieb Simon B:
> Hi Ralf,
>
> thanks for the great and comprehensive answer.
>
> The project is in good hands. And I hope you find something sooner rather
> than later that doesn't involve Microslop, github, and Copilot.
>
> Regards
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> On Fri, 3 Jul 2026, 08:32 Ralf Lang,<ralf.lang at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Simon,
>>
>> I share your concern about a lock-in.
>> We want to keep our own data in our own hands, including our history of
>> changes and bug reports.
>>
>> This is why our github actions pipelines are largely a thin wrapper around
>> a tool chain you can run on your own desktop or in jenkins, circle ci or
>> whatever.
>> This is why we do not give up whups (bug tracker) but make it receive
>> hooks when you do something on github and send out updates to github if you
>> interact via whups (and don't even own a github account).
>>
>> Horde has migrated CI systems at least three times through it history. We
>> changed our code versioning system from cvs to monolithic git, from
>> monolithic git to separate components.
>> We changed delivery from tarball to pear to composer.
>>
>> We frankly do not know if we will be hosting on github five years into the
>> future.
>> Give us some time to get the infra and tools into shape to support our
>> traditional, sovereign approach.
>>
>> At the moment it just doesn't work for most users across multiple hours
>> per day and we must accomodate the way a lot of casual contributors work.
>> You might have noticed we are tooling up to support mastodon API
>> (preferred) and modernizing our X API (it's still a big place with all its
>> problems).
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Ralf
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2026 at 8:13 AM Simon B<simon.buongiorno at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> There must surely be a better option than lock-in with a big US Tech Corp
>>> precisely at a time the Rest of the world seeks to reduce reliance and
>>> contrary to the ENTIRE raison d'être of Horde....
>>>
>>>
>>> Think that through again please.   And look for a federated alternative..
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Simon B
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 3 Jul 2026, 07:40 Torben Dannhauer,<torben at dannhauer.info>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Horde users,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> we are glad to have progressed so far with you in the last months and
>>> make
>>>> H6 possible.
>>>>
>>>> with growing community activity and participation, the mailing list will
>>>> get more and more confusing to keep track which discussion is still open
>>>> and what is solved already.
>>>>
>>>> my ask and proposal is, to migrate bug reports and discussions to github
>>>> actions. This eases the tracking, discussion and relation to PRs,
>>> commits
>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>> if you are not used to github: No issue, that’s very easy:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *       go to github.com
>>>> *       setup an account ( its free)
>>>> *       log in
>>>> *       go to github.com/horde/<your package) (e.g.
>>>> https://github.com/horde/ActiveSync)
>>>> *       click on “issues” in the top menu
>>>> *       click on the green button “New issue”  on the right side
>>>> *       write your text
>>>> *       assign it to either<mailto:ralf.lang at ralf-lang.de> @'Ralf
>>> Lang'
>>>> or me to avoid we miss it
>>>> *       save
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Done 😊
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Torben
>>>>
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