[imp] IMP, Outlook and Hotmail

Sun Apr 20 16:53:06 UTC 2008

Hi,

I think the problem is this:

User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6)

I had the same problem until I disabled the User-Agent header from  
being inserted. hotmail seems to object to it and discards mail if  
this is set. Of course, there is no warning that this is happening and  
nothing gets put in your spam folder, it just disappears. Try  
commenting out the User-Agent addHeader statement in lib/Horde/MIME/ 
Headers.php and see if that cures it.

Graeme

On 20 Apr 2008, at 15:32, Sebastien Rozier wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I browsed the list and googled the net, I know this has already been  
> discussed a lot and th e official position is «this is not MUA  
> problem but hotmail problem » , BUT :
> - My configuration is a public internet mail server running postfix  
> + cyrus imap
> - Relaying using SMTP is denied except for localhost and my public  
> IP address
> - Relaying using SMTP is allowed when user is AUTHentified over TLS.
> - Horde/IMP is running on the same server
>
> When I send a mail from outlook to hotmail address, mail is sent  
> through my server (elaying is OK since I’m AUTHentified) and I  
> receive it in my hotmail mailbox
> ⇒ No DNS, postfix configuration… problem from my server or address
> When I send a mail from IMP to hotmail address, mail is silently  
> discarded.
> When I send a mail from hotmail -> my address and reply to this mail  
> from IMP, I receive it in my hotmail mailbox
> ⇒ I think problem is the way IMP forges e-mails (headers ?)
> I ***know*** this is a problem from hotmail, not from horde/IMP nor  
> my configuration.
> But today, hotmail is a « de facto » standard…So, if anyone want  
> to have a look on this, here are the infos
>
> Mail forged from IMP and sent to hotmail (CC myself so that I can  
> receive the mail since hotmails silently discards it) :
> Return-Path: <sebastien.rozier at cybergaia.org>
> Received: from atlantis.itexcom.fr ([unix socket])
> 	 by atlantis.itexcom.fr (Cyrus v2.3.7-Invoca-RPM-2.3.7-1.1.el5)  
> with LMTPA;
> 	 Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:04:49 +0200
> X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.3
> Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1])
> 	by atlantis.itexcom.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB8541E24;
> 	Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:04:49 +0000 (UTC)
> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at example.com
> Received: from atlantis.itexcom.fr ([127.0.0.1])
> 	by localhost (atlantis.itexcom.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port  
> 10024)
> 	with ESMTP id 6XC1Zjf8PO2R; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:04:47 +0200 (CEST)
> Received: from mail.cybergaia.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])
> 	by atlantis.itexcom.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA5B41AE7;
> 	Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:04:47 +0200 (CEST)
> Received: from www.cybergaia.org (www.cybergaia.org [82.247.77.102])  
> by
> 	mail.universe-it.fr (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 20 Apr 2008
> 	16:04:47 +0200
> Message-ID: <20080420160447.q5v49fg2og804ggo at mail.universe-it.fr>
> X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:04:47 +0200
> From: Sebastien Rozier <sebastien.rozier at cybergaia.org>
> To: my_address at hotmail.com
> Cc: sebastien.rozier at cybergaia.org
> Subject: test
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> 	boundary="=_2r3gvvkl04u8"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6)
> X-Originating-IP: 82.247.77.102
> X-Remote-Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT  
> 5.1; .NET
> 	CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; InfoPath.2; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.30)
>
> Mail forged from Outlook and sent to hotmail (use same relay server  
> than previously and CC myself to show you headers) :
> Return-Path: <sebastien.rozier at cybergaia.org>
> Received: from atlantis.itexcom.fr ([unix socket])
> 	 by atlantis.itexcom.fr (Cyrus v2.3.7-Invoca-RPM-2.3.7-1.1.el5)  
> with LMTPA;
> 	 Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:10:23 +0200
> X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.3
> Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1])
> 	by atlantis.itexcom.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C39941E24;
> 	Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:10:23 +0000 (UTC)
> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at example.com
> Received: from atlantis.itexcom.fr ([127.0.0.1])
> 	by localhost (atlantis.itexcom.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port  
> 10024)
> 	with ESMTP id EUTVI8ozyNsl; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:10:20 +0200 (CEST)
> Received: from BKStation (www.cybergaia.org [82.247.77.102])
> 	by atlantis.itexcom.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B48F341AE7;
> 	Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:10:20 +0200 (CEST)
> From: "Sebastien Rozier" <sebastien.rozier at cybergaia.org>
> To: <my_address at hotmail.com>
> Cc: "'Sebastien Rozier'" <sebastien.rozier at cybergaia.org>
> Subject: test
> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:07:51 +0200
> Message-ID: <007701c8a2ef$ebf7fb00$c3e7f100$@rozier at cybergaia.org>
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> 	boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0078_01C8A300.AF80CB00"
> X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0
> Thread-Index: Acii7+tJFgHpd0HIQquigfsvc8K5cg==
> Content-Language: fr
>
> Mail sent from my hotmail address, opened and replied to from Horde/ 
> IMP, received on my hotmail address, and CC myself for source :
> Return-Path: <sebastien.rozier at cybergaia.org>
> Received: from atlantis.itexcom.fr ([unix socket])
> 	 by atlantis.itexcom.fr (Cyrus v2.3.7-Invoca-RPM-2.3.7-1.1.el5)  
> with LMTPA;
> 	 Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:22:03 +0200
> X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.3
> Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1])
> 	by atlantis.itexcom.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ACBE58811;
> 	Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:22:03 +0000 (UTC)
> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at example.com
> Received: from atlantis.itexcom.fr ([127.0.0.1])
> 	by localhost (atlantis.itexcom.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port  
> 10024)
> 	with ESMTP id auQ81mzgbTUS; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:22:01 +0200 (CEST)
> Received: from mail.cybergaia.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])
> 	by atlantis.itexcom.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3F8758814;
> 	Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:22:00 +0200 (CEST)
> Received: from www.cybergaia.org (www.cybergaia.org [82.247.77.102])  
> by
> 	mail.universe-it.fr (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 20 Apr 2008
> 	16:22:00 +0200
> Message-ID: <20080420162200.cjzviyr7ac8wcocg at mail.universe-it.fr>
> X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:22:00 +0200
> From: Sebastien Rozier <sebastien.rozier at cybergaia.org>
> To: =?iso-8859-1?b?U+liYXN0aWVu?= Rozier <my_address at hotmail.com>
> Cc: sebastien.rozier at cybergaia.org
> Subject: Re: test
> References: <BAY121-W16EB4E5055F44B07D2645B4E60 at phx.gbl>
> In-Reply-To: <BAY121-W16EB4E5055F44B07D2645B4E60 at phx.gbl>
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> 	boundary="=_7e095y5ha944"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6)
> X-Originating-IP: 82.247.77.102
> X-Remote-Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT  
> 5.1; .NET
> 	CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; InfoPath.2; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.30)
>
> And finally, a mail sent from somewhere else using squirrel web mail  
> and arrived in my hotmail mailbox (CC myself to show you source) :
> Return-Path: <someone_else at somewhere.else>
> Received: from atlantis.itexcom.fr ([unix socket])
> 	 by atlantis.itexcom.fr (Cyrus v2.3.7-Invoca-RPM-2.3.7-1.1.el5)  
> with LMTPA;
> 	 Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:55:07 +0200
> X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.3
> Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1])
> 	by atlantis.itexcom.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E52741E24
> 	for <sebastien.rozier at cybergaia.org>; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:55:07  
> +0000 (UTC)
> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at example.com
> Received: from atlantis.itexcom.fr ([127.0.0.1])
> 	by localhost (atlantis.itexcom.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port  
> 10024)
> 	with ESMTP id bumHWWLqhjcp for <sebastien.rozier at cybergaia.org>;
> 	Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:55:05 +0200 (CEST)
> Received: from somewhere.else (unknown [1.2.3.4])
> 	by atlantis.itexcom.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C000A41AE7
> 	for <sebastien.rozier at cybergaia.org>; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:55:05  
> +0200 (CEST)
> Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])
> 	by somewhere.else (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F5C85C19F;
> 	Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:46:04 +0200 (CEST)
> Received: from somewhere.else ([127.0.0.1])
> 	by localhost (somewhere.else [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024)
> 	with ESMTP id 12024-02; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:46:04 +0200 (CEST)
> Received: by somewhere.else (Postfix, from userid 33)
> 	id 03C955BE82; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:46:03 +0200 (CEST)
> Received: from 82.230.116.147
>        (SquirrelMail authenticated user someone_else at somewhere.else)
>        by somewhere.else with HTTP;
>        Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:46:03 +0200 (CEST)
> Message-ID: <23437.82.230.116.147.1208699163.squirrel at somewhere.else >
> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:46:03 +0200 (CEST)
> Subject: TEST
> From: "Someone Else" <somewhere.else>
> To: my_address at hotmail.com
> Cc: sebastien.rozier at cybergaia.org
> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
> X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
> Importance: Normal
> X-Virus-Scanned: by Somewhere Else mailscan
>
> Thanx a lot for any help you could provide, and go on, I have been  
> using Horde since a long time, it rocks :-) and it’s becoming  
> better and better
> Sebastien
>
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