> I have horde-3.0-beta and whups-HEAD-2004-11-16 No, these are not compatible. Horde 3.0 RC1 will work but is not guaranteed to keep working. Horde HEAD and Whups HEAD are your best bet, or, even better, waiting for Whups 1.0. -chuck -- "But she goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy." - John Quincy Adams