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Jon Parise jon@csh.rit.edu
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Prety interesting ...

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Subject: Re: [dev] problems with horde/lib/Prefs/LDAP.php

Quoting Michael Bull <mbull@uoguelph.ca>:
> if you set the username and password to '', it will do just that.  

When setting preferences, yes.

Jon - something to keep in mind as you continue to refine the LDAP prefs - When
the prefs are retrieved it is done via anonymous bind.  If the prefs are only
available via non-anonymous bind (as mine are) then they can be set but are
never retrieved.

Of course, setting $this->connect(false) to $this->connect(true) in the retrieve
function gets around this.

I'm not sure where you want to change this - that's why I'm merely pointing out
the issue.  
The connect function looks to see if it could get the DN via anon bind, but that
doesn't mean the prefs are also available that way.  I don't think you want to
check if each pref is anonymously readable.  Perhaps a conf setting to force
non-anonymous bind? That's not very elegant however.

-Tim



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Subject: IMP preferences regroup

I've noticed Chuck's work on regrouping IMP's preferences into categories to 
create smaller pages.  I've also noticed that somewhere in the process, the 
"filters" option from the main IMP menu was moved to preferences.  I *really* 
like that, and would like to suggest that the "change password" option (if 
enabled) be moved in the same way.  My reasoning is this: if just one more icon 
from that menu could be moved from it to somewhere else, it would be small 
enough that it would look good on 800x600 screens.  Currently, less than 
1024x768 looks bad because that menu causes the screen to scroll horizontally.  
Granted, I have just about everything enabled: contacts (though I haven't used 
Turba much yet), options, change password, search, problem, help, etc--just 
about anything that can be on is on.

I would think catering to less than 800x600 resolutions is probably only still 
hitting a small portion of users these days; I also imagine that the "filters" 
option was moved away from the main menu for just this reason.  "Change 
password" seems like another good candidate that would fit just as well in the 
options menu instead of the main menu.  I'd be willing to bet many commercial 
webmail solutions, hotmail and such, do this very thing.  Sure enough, I just 
checked, and they do.

..Keith

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Subject: Re: [dev] IMP preferences regroup

Quoting "Keith A. Chayer" <kchayer@bbcnet.edu>:

> I've noticed Chuck's work on regrouping IMP's preferences into categories to
> create smaller pages.  I've also noticed that somewhere in the process, the
> "filters" option from the main IMP menu was moved to preferences.  I *really*
> like that, and would like to suggest that the "change password" option (if 
> enabled) be moved in the same way.

Just hadn't gotten to it yet. It's done now - take a look.

-chuck

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Subject: Re: [dev] my IMP broke [ User Preferences Grouping ]

Quoting Atif Ghaffar <aghaffar@developer.ch>:

> Our Information Architect thinks that the preferences in the option
> screen are too cluttered.

If you could get her to take a look at what I just committed, that'd be great!

-chuck

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Subject: Re: [dev] IMP preferences regroup

Quoting Chuck Hagenbuch <chuck@horde.org>:

> Quoting "Keith A. Chayer" <kchayer@bbcnet.edu>:
> 
> > I've noticed Chuck's work on regrouping IMP's preferences into categories
> to
> > create smaller pages.  I've also noticed that somewhere in the process,
> the
> > "filters" option from the main IMP menu was moved to preferences.  I
> *really*
> > like that, and would like to suggest that the "change password" option (if
> 
> > enabled) be moved in the same way.
> 
> Just hadn't gotten to it yet. It's done now - take a look.

I was just about to respond to your CVS commit :).  It looks very nice.  I 
wondered if the "change password" option had come up in discussion before.  I've 
been getting so much mail lately that I've only been skimming over most of the 
mailing list messages.

Thanks.

..Keith

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>From chuck@horde.org Date: Mon,  5 Feb 2001 17:58:33 -0500
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Subject: Re: [dev] IMP preferences regroup

Quoting "Keith A. Chayer" <kchayer@bbcnet.edu>:

> I was just about to respond to your CVS commit :).

=)

> It looks very nice.

Any additional feedback - and better blurbs (I'm sure they're needed) - would 
be great.

-chuck

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Subject: Re: [dev] IMP preferences regroup

Quoting Chuck Hagenbuch <chuck@horde.org>:

> Quoting "Keith A. Chayer" <kchayer@bbcnet.edu>:
> 
> > I was just about to respond to your CVS commit :).
> 
> =)
> 
> > It looks very nice.
> 
> Any additional feedback - and better blurbs (I'm sure they're needed) - would
> 
> be great.

I like that you basically summarize what the "Message Composition" and "New 
Mail" categories do.  It seems like all of the categories should similarly be 
short summaries.  That way people will know what's behind they link they are 
following, without having to search for options--since, at least in the old way, 
they could just scroll down the entire screen to find what they were looking 
for.

That said, here's how I might change some of the descriptions:

Personal Information:
 (Ugh, did you struggle with this one?  I'm having a hard time coming with 
something that's both useful and descriptive but doesn't use technical terms 
that some users might not understand)
 This seems a little awkward, but I'm having a difficult time coming up with a 
suggestion of my own.  How's about "Change what name and address people see when 
they read and reply to your email."

Account Information:
 Might rename this to "Server Information"
 Might change it to something like "Change your preferred mail server, path, and 
folder information"
 Should there not be an option here to select whether the preferred mail server 
is POP3 or IMAP?  Did this used to be an option, or am I suggesting an 
additional one? :)

Display Options:
 Might change it to something like "Change viewing options such as how many 
messages you can see at once, message sorting, spell check, and folder 
preferences"
 You might just rename it to "Viewing Options"

That's what I notice initially.

..Keith

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Subject: Re: [dev] my IMP broke [ User Preferences Grouping ]

Quoting Chuck Hagenbuch <chuck@horde.org>:

> > Spam filter:
> > 	The spam link can send a spam report to the administrator and add an 
> > 	exclusion filter rule based on the subject, from and to headers.
> 
> This does sound like it could be useful; I'll leave implementing it to you,
> Jon, and Max. I'm not averse to having it as an option, though.

This is one thing I liked about outlook -- its ability to have "trash senders" 
automatically filtered.  Good idea, I'll see about making it a user pref.

> > Filters:
> > Have an option to "Copy Message to folder" if it matches the criteria.
> > Move Message is ok, but sometimes it is useful to copy the message?? (I
> > dont get it neither)
> 
> Does anyone else see the need for this? Max, there isn't anything tricky
> about implementing this, right?

It is absolutely trivial to add, but I didn't because of this one reason:  The 
base imap_search query is UNDELETED.  I don't know how further to limit the 
query because there is no way to flag a message as "copied" (and it would be 
inefficient to do so anyway).  So running the rules more than once will cause 
multiple copies of a message in a folder.  I'm not entirely ok with providing 
that.  But I can if there's demand.  We're also very open to ideas on doing it 
better.

--mk23


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Subject: Re: [dev] my IMP broke [ User Preferences Grouping ]

Quoting Jon Parise <jon@csh.rit.edu>:

> That's an interesting idea, but sounds pretty complicated to actually
> implement correctly.  I will, in turn, leave it to Atif and Max to
> come up with the best solution.  I'd like to review the patches
> beforehand on the list, however.

I'll try to post something here in a couple of days (insanely busy at work 
currenty).

--mk23
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