[horde] Fwd: Re: Installing Nag (Re: [nag] Nag still been developed?)

[Chuck Hagenbuch]

----- Forwarded message from Francisco Reyes <francisco at natserv.net> -----
    Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 23:49:56 -0400
    From: Francisco Reyes <francisco at natserv.net>
Reply-To: Francisco Reyes <francisco at natserv.net>
 Subject: Re: Installing Nag (Re: [nag] Nag still been developed?)
      To: Chuck Hagenbuch <chuck at horde.org>

On Sun, 21 Apr 2002 18:53:35 -0400, Chuck Hagenbuch wrote:

>Quoting Francisco Reyes <francisco at natserv.net>:
>> What files do I need to change off the main horde /config directory to
>> have nag working?
>
>You'll need some variety of Horde authentication working to log in to Nag.


What could I use for this authentication?
Right after I installed horde and called ../horde/index.html it presented 
me with a login screen.
I have no idea against what it is checking, or how to add users..

>> I am new to horde and nag and tried following the INSTALL for both, but
>> they could use some improvement.
>
>Do you have specific suggestions? Patches/updates?

I actually have been thinking a lot about this today. To be honest with 
you I feel very tempted to 
start work on a new framework. For different projects and needs I have 
been looking at different 
programs and frameworks lately. I have looked at PHP wicki wicki, Post 
Nuke, Horde, Yerba (couldn't 
actually look at it because they were doing some work with the site.. but 
wrote to the author and never 
got a reply so I figure that was a bad start.. they didn't have a list to 
email either..).

After all those experiences I must say that I am frustrated with what I 
have seen.
Enough rambling..

Some suggestions for Horde:
-Documentation needs to be improved to indicate that one pretty much can't 
do a thing with just the 
base.

-The FTP should only have the latest usefull code or a complete snapshot 
of all modules at a point in 
time. I installed horde from FTP and nag from CVS. Nag is NOT listed on 
the registry.php of the horde I 
installed.

-Both the horde framework and the documentation for each project should 
mention that registry.php 
should be modified. As a just in case scenario the module should have in 
it's own Install file the code 
needed in registry.php. As an example the listed requirements for nag is 
Horde 1.3 CVS, but I installed 
2.XX (don't recall exact number) from FTP, yet nag was not listed on the 
registry.php I got from the 
FTP download.

-Installation from modules should be easier. If this is a "framework" why 
can't there be a convention 
by which all modules would be installed. Even if there are some steps 
which are unique, if at least 
there is a basic set of common steps, then for each module people would 
have an idea of how it will be 
installed. Even better.. there should be a script. I don't know about the 
quality of the code, it's 
functionality or almost anything about horde.. but it's release 
engineering could use some serious 
improvement. It seems there hasn't been a concerted 
effort/thought/planning on 
installation/integration/consistency across the modules (although I only 
say this from trying one 
module, but not seen anything specific on the main horde doc hints that 
there isn't consistency 
otherwise there would have being more instructions right on the framework).

-I could not understand why there werent two copies  of the dist files. 
One with the dist extension and 
another one without. Or simpler.. include a script to make copies. If 
there is already an example on 
the INSTALL for horde then why can't you just make a script?

>> I got horde up, and test.php shows a result, then installed nag. What I
>> don't see is what needs changed in horde to let it know nag is up.
>
>You need to uncomment the nag stanza in horde/config/registry.php.

It wasn't on the registry.php I got.


>> Do I access nag directly by pointing the browser to the directory where
>> nag's index.php is? I tried that and just got the browser to stay 
>> forever waiting for a response.
>
>From your webserver logs, what page is the browser trying to load when it 
>hangs?

192.168.10.5 - - [21/Apr/2002:23:43:52 -0400] "GET /horde/nag HTTP/1.1" 
401 485 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 
(compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 2000) Opera 6.01  [en]"
192.168.10.5 - fran [21/Apr/2002:23:43:55 -0400] "GET /horde/nag HTTP/1.1" 
301 329 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 
(compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 2000) Opera 6.01  [en]"
192.168.10.5 - fran [21/Apr/2002:23:43:55 -0400] "GET /horde/nag/ 
HTTP/1.1" 200 5 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 
(compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 2000) Opera 6.01  [en]"

Also tried calling index.php directly:
192.168.10.5 - fran [21/Apr/2002:23:45:02 -0400] "GET /horde/nag/index.php 
HTTP/1.1" 200 5 "-" 
"Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 2000) Opera 6.01  [en]"


----- End forwarded message -----


-chuck

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