[horde] Fwd: Re: Interface design Horde 4.1/5.0

[Gunnar Wrobel]

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Gunnar Wrobel <wrobel at pardus.de> schrieb:







"Nicolás Ilich Samus" <nicolas at unq.edu.ar> schrieb:

>I'm not sure if it's obvious or a detail, but i think is important to
>hold the menus at top if the user scrolls down in the application.
>It's really annoying in an application when is needed scroll up to
>make an action or open another app in a new tab and then scroll down
>again to return to the working point.

The dynamic interfaces we currently have for imp and kronolith work with a fixed screen size. So I would say that is the direction we are heading towards.

If we keep the static views it might be more difficult there. We don't have a fixed menu for them right now and I'm not certain the effort would be worth it.

But for new stuff it is definitely something we should have as a rule.

Cheers,

Gunnar

>
>I completely agree with the necessity of a new interface common to all
>apps and the design proposed looks very functional and comfortable.
>
>--
>Atte.
>Nicolás Ilich Samus
>
>
>
>2012/1/9 Gunnar Wrobel <wrobel at pardus.de>:
>> Hello Jānis,
>>
>>
>> Quoting Jānis <je at ktf.rtu.lv>:
>>
>>> Citējot Jan Schneider <jan at horde.org>
>>> Mon, 09 Jan 2012 13:47:52 +0100:
>>>
>>>> As mentioned earlier (http://wiki.horde.org/ReleaseManagement), we
>plan
>>>> to work on some redesigning for the next Horde release.
>>>
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> The right pane contains the actual application content. The main
>content
>>>> area is completely up to the application to fill and lay out. At a
>later
>>>> step we are probably going to standardize layout elements for
>applications
>>>> too, but for now we concentrate on the application "frame". If
>applicable,
>>>> the main application area is going to have a button bar on the top
>that
>>>> contains all actions that apply to the content displayed below.
>This could
>>>> be further restricting of the displayed content (think of views in
>the
>>>> calendar, or filters in webmail), or doing anything with the
>content
>>>> (deletion, replying/forwarding mail, etc.)
>>>
>>>
>>> As the user vulgaris I'd like to suggest to be not overzealous in
>>> interface changing to avoid interface flames like for kde 3/4 or
>currently -
>>> gnome 2/3 which may result in migration away from horde (like it is
>with kde
>>> and gnome, where xfce wins the hearts of conservative ones, at least
>- it
>>> seems so.)
>>
>>
>> The main reason for giving such a redesign a high priority is the
>fact that
>> we have been told many times that Horde looks outdated in comparison
>to
>> similar applications.
>>
>> My own experience has been kind of desastrous in that regard: Kolab
>Systems
>> is currently trying to move the Kolab ecosystem from Horde to
>Roundcube. To
>> a large part due to the fact that is is being considered "to look
>slicker".
>>
>> Roundcube is not the only contender in that area. Google, Tine 2.0,
>> Open-Xchange, Zarafa all offer frontends with a more consistent
>interface
>> than what we provide at the moment.
>>
>> Several packagers and resellers mentioned Horde usability as an issue
>when
>> we went to LinuxTag last year. Another large German packager
>deactivated the
>> calendar because they considered the interface to be too different
>from the
>> webmail frontend.
>>
>> My personal feeling is that we are far from "overzealous" and that
>some
>> users are in fact already migrating away from Horde.
>>
>> Taking into account that I consider Horde to be a wonderful solution
>from a
>> technical point of view I really would be happy if it is also
>attractive on
>> the outside :)
>>
>>
>>> From my experience - my users do not use the sidebar and only one
>>> gadgetist uses dynamic view.
>>
>>
>> That sounds like it is pretty much along the lines of what we want.
>During
>> the Hackathon we discussed the different modes the top navigational
>bar
>> should support. While it should allow to replace the sidebar, a
>bare-bone
>> variant would simply list the various applications. And would thus be
>> somewhat similar to the current top bar we have. We felt it just does
>not
>> make too much sense to have both - as your users seem to see it as
>well.
>>
>> It is good to know that most of your users use the static view. We
>discussed
>> whether it actually makes sense keeping the static variants or not.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Gunnar
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Janis
>>>
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