[horde] Signature

[Simon Brereton]

On 6 November 2012 14:26, Vilius Šumskas <vilius at lnk.lt> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 9:13:00 PM, you wrote:
>
>> On 6 November 2012 13:51, Michael M Slusarz <slusarz at horde.org> wrote:
>>> Quoting Jens Grüntjes <jens.gruentjes at ebira.de>:
>>>
>>>> Zitat von Ole Wolf <wolf at blazingangles.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Quoting Andreas Mauser <andreas at mauser.info>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for the idea. It seems to be the only workaround(?) for now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any chance that there will be a checkbox in the future to set/unset the
>>>>>> signature?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure whether I'd consider it a workaround or something worthy of
>>>>> a
>>>>> checkbox. Most email clients that I've used simply append the signature
>>>>> in
>>>>> the compose window so you could delete it if necessary; IMP used to do
>>>>> that, too, so it's probably a design decision. In any event, I don't feel
>>>>> entirely comfortable about the implied inclusion of the signature that
>>>>> IMP
>>>>> H5 applies. I would prefer to see what's being sent in the email.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would also prefer to be able to choose whether I want the signature an
>>>> what signature I want. Should one make an enhancement on bugs.horde.org for
>>>> that?
>>>
>>>
>>> No - it's not happening ever.  This has already been discussed and rejected.
>>>
>>> If you want to send a message without signatures, set-up a separate
>>> identity.
>
>> In principle I agree with you - in fact, I think signatures are on the
>> whole completely useless and irrelevant and as much sense as stupid
>> legal disclaimers.
>
>> However, the world functions on a certain amount of perception - and
>> therefore some people require a signature to believe in the
>> professionalism or some other quality of the sender.  Thus, whilst new
>> messages sometimes require a signature I have yet to see the case
>> where a signature is required or needed on a reply (except by people
>> too simple to understand the concept or full of their own importance).
>
>> I've yet to win a design or functionality argument with any member of
>> the Horde team, so I don't expect to win this one, but a the ideal
>> solution for me as an administrator is a check box (either ticked or
>> not ticked by default in the compose preferences) that inserts or
>> removes the signature would be the perfect solution.
>
>> Thanks.
>
>> Simon
>
> As  a  person  using signatures extensively I must oppose this at some
> level.
>
> The  signatures are not only used in professional cases. The signature
> can  be  as short as one word. In your case for example it is "Simon".
> But it *is* signature.
>
> If you need to enable/disable signature per message basis, just create
> two  profiles,  one  with  signature  and  another  without. Switching
> profiles is as fast as clicking a checkbox.
>
> What  other  useful feature I see from the discussion is that it would
> be  great  to  have  one  profile for New Messages and one profile for
> Replies/Forwards.   This   way   all   new  messages  will  have  full
> professional signature and replies just simple "Simon".


The problem with this approach is that Horde uses identities for
everything - and that can quickly add up.  You have listed 5 use cases
already, now add another email address/profile and you have 10,  All I
am saying - given my opposition to signatures anyway - is that there
should be a better more streamlined way to do this.  With AJAX we have
the ability to make make this very slick.  One check-box to add or
remove a signature, and a drop-down (that appears when the box is
checked) to allow the selection of which signature, and the users are
happy, and the admin are happy.  Using identities to do this seems
like a clever idea for Horde3, but I think we can and should be doing
better in Horde5.

Simon