[horde] Signature

[Vilius Šumskas]

Sveiki,

Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 10:58:36 PM, you wrote:

> On 6 November 2012 14:26, Vilius Šumskas <vilius at lnk.lt> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 9:13:00 PM, you wrote:
>>
>>> On 6 November 2012 13:51, Michael M Slusarz <slusarz at horde.org> wrote:
>>>> Quoting Jens Grüntjes <jens.gruentjes at ebira.de>:
>>>>
>>>>> Zitat von Ole Wolf <wolf at blazingangles.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Quoting Andreas Mauser <andreas at mauser.info>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for the idea. It seems to be the only workaround(?) for now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any chance that there will be a checkbox in the future to set/unset the
>>>>>>> signature?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure whether I'd consider it a workaround or something worthy of
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> checkbox. Most email clients that I've used simply append the signature
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the compose window so you could delete it if necessary; IMP used to do
>>>>>> that, too, so it's probably a design decision. In any event, I don't feel
>>>>>> entirely comfortable about the implied inclusion of the signature that
>>>>>> IMP
>>>>>> H5 applies. I would prefer to see what's being sent in the email.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would also prefer to be able to choose whether I want the signature an
>>>>> what signature I want. Should one make an enhancement on bugs.horde.org for
>>>>> that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No - it's not happening ever.  This has already been discussed and rejected.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to send a message without signatures, set-up a separate
>>>> identity.
>>
>>> In principle I agree with you - in fact, I think signatures are on the
>>> whole completely useless and irrelevant and as much sense as stupid
>>> legal disclaimers.
>>
>>> However, the world functions on a certain amount of perception - and
>>> therefore some people require a signature to believe in the
>>> professionalism or some other quality of the sender.  Thus, whilst new
>>> messages sometimes require a signature I have yet to see the case
>>> where a signature is required or needed on a reply (except by people
>>> too simple to understand the concept or full of their own importance).
>>
>>> I've yet to win a design or functionality argument with any member of
>>> the Horde team, so I don't expect to win this one, but a the ideal
>>> solution for me as an administrator is a check box (either ticked or
>>> not ticked by default in the compose preferences) that inserts or
>>> removes the signature would be the perfect solution.
>>
>>> Thanks.
>>
>>> Simon
>>
>> As  a  person  using signatures extensively I must oppose this at some
>> level.
>>
>> The  signatures are not only used in professional cases. The signature
>> can  be  as short as one word. In your case for example it is "Simon".
>> But it *is* signature.
>>
>> If you need to enable/disable signature per message basis, just create
>> two  profiles,  one  with  signature  and  another  without. Switching
>> profiles is as fast as clicking a checkbox.
>>
>> What  other  useful feature I see from the discussion is that it would
>> be  great  to  have  one  profile for New Messages and one profile for
>> Replies/Forwards.   This   way   all   new  messages  will  have  full
>> professional signature and replies just simple "Simon".


> The problem with this approach is that Horde uses identities for
> everything - and that can quickly add up.  You have listed 5 use cases
> already, now add another email address/profile and you have 10,  All I

This is unrelated problem. If you say that profiles should be separate
from  signatures,  then  yes,  that  could  be useful addition in some
*edge* cases.

> am saying - given my opposition to signatures anyway - is that there
> should be a better more streamlined way to do this.  With AJAX we have
> the ability to make make this very slick.  One check-box to add or
> remove a signature, and a drop-down (that appears when the box is
> checked) to allow the selection of which signature, and the users are
> happy, and the admin are happy.  Using identities to do this seems
> like a clever idea for Horde3, but I think we can and should be doing
> better in Horde5.

In  theory, there should be no cases where you don't need a signature at
all.   Just   make  "Simon"  a  default  one  and  there, you have it,
all new emails with simple "no signature" writing.

-- 
Best regards,
 Vilius