[horde] Blacklist and forwarding
Andre Luiz Paiz - Instituto de Química - Unicamp
andre.paiz at iqm.unicamp.br
Wed Oct 9 12:04:04 UTC 2013
Hi Everybody.
Thanks for the answers.
The statement from Vilius really makes me change my perception about the
blacklisting feature, where I believe is made to block a single mailaddress
like a at a.com. But I don't see another option to make the forwarding process
easier to the user.
I believe that my suggestion can work because DSPAM will be trained based on
the signature (token) of the header of the message, no matter who the sender
is.
Is possible to implement that? I mean, when I right-click an e-mail and
select blacklist, the system performs this extra step.
Is there another option? Like activate the report spam feature and attach it
to a forwarding process.
I hope you can help me.
Thanks.
Andre
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Blacklist and forwarding (Vilius Sumskas/LNK)
2. Re: Blacklist and forwarding (Simon Wilson)
3. Re: Sort names in shared address books (Jan Schneider)
4. Re: imp: fromaddress selectable by user (Jan Schneider)
5. Re: imp: fromaddress selectable by user (Simon B)
6. Re: Problems with SoGo Connector and Funambol (Hanns Mattes)
7. Re: nag/tasks isn't working (John McIntyre)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 01:39:38 +0300
From: Vilius Sumskas/LNK <vilius at lnk.lt>
To: horde at lists.horde.org
Subject: Re: [horde] Blacklist and forwarding
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>>>> I have a SPAM control system that allows users to train it for
>>> better
>>>> results. They send spam mail to spam at mydomain e ham to
>>> notspam at mydomain. I
>>>> would like to integrate the Horde Blacklist feature with this. I
>>> mean, when
>>>> the user right-click an e-mail and mark it to blacklist, after
>>> horde
>>>> performs its actions (move to trash or something like that), the
>>> mail would
>>>> be forwarded to the spam at mydomain address.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is that possible?
>>>
>>> Not without editing the code.
>>
>>
>> Excuse me for jumping into thread like this but wouldn't it be
>> possible to create a shell script which sends email and use it in
>
>> IMP's Spam/Ham reporting in place of ordinary spamassassin reports?
>
>> If I remember correctly it was possible in H4.
>
>That's not what he's asking though. He wants an action to take place
>
>on clicking the *blacklist* button (not the Report Spam button).
>
>Currently, clicking the blacklist button does nothing more than sending
>the e-mail address to the blacklist registry API call (handled by
>ingo). There's nothing currently in-between the user action and
>
>the API call that allows someone to add a hook.
Then probably a shell script could do both :), 1) report spam and 2) include
emails into blacklist through PHP CLI using Horde API call.
Obviously users should be trained to use Report Spam instead of Blacklist
then.
However, Andre, you should not mix these two different features. Blacklist
is not really for spam addresses these days. Spammers change email addresses
pretty often or send spam from non-existent addresses, so you just end up
with a big pile of email addresses which uses more and more server resources
to process but provides very little of value. Blacklist comes in handly only
if you would like to block one particular known real sender (a newsletter
without unsubscribtion address for example), or if you want to block whole
domain (*@*.ch) etc.
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Vilius
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 00:34:56 +0000
From: Simon Wilson <simon at simonandkate.net>
To: horde at lists.horde.org
Subject: Re: [horde] Blacklist and forwarding
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----- Message from Vilius Sumskas/LNK <vilius at lnk.lt> ---------
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 01:39:38 +0300
From: Vilius Sumskas/LNK <vilius at lnk.lt>
Subject: Re: [horde] Blacklist and forwarding
To: horde at lists.horde.org
>>>>> I have a SPAM control system that allows users to train it for
>>>> better
>>>>> results. They send spam mail to spam at mydomain e ham to
>>>> notspam at mydomain. I
>>>>> would like to integrate the Horde Blacklist feature with this. I
>>>> mean, when
>>>>> the user right-click an e-mail and mark it to blacklist, after
>>>> horde
>>>>> performs its actions (move to trash or something like that), the
>>>> mail would
>>>>> be forwarded to the spam at mydomain address.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that possible?
>>>>
>>>> Not without editing the code.
>>>
>>>
>>> Excuse me for jumping into thread like this but wouldn't it be
>>> possible to create a shell script which sends email and use it in
>>
>>> IMP's Spam/Ham reporting in place of ordinary spamassassin reports?
>>
>>> If I remember correctly it was possible in H4.
>>
>> That's not what he's asking though. He wants an action to take place
>>
>> on clicking the *blacklist* button (not the Report Spam button).
>>
>> Currently, clicking the blacklist button does nothing more than
>> sending the e-mail address to the blacklist registry API call
>> (handled by ingo). There's nothing currently in-between the user
>> action and
>>
>> the API call that allows someone to add a hook.
>
> Then probably a shell script could do both :), 1) report spam and 2)
> include emails into blacklist through PHP CLI using Horde API call.
>
> Obviously users should be trained to use Report Spam instead of
> Blacklist then.
>
> However, Andre, you should not mix these two different features.
> Blacklist is not really for spam addresses these days. Spammers change
> email addresses pretty often or send spam from non-existent addresses,
> so you just end up with a big pile of email addresses which uses more
> and more server resources to process but provides very little of
> value. Blacklist comes in handly only if you would like to block one
> particular known real sender (a newsletter without unsubscribtion
> address for example), or if you want to block whole domain (*@*.ch)
> etc.
>
> --
> Vilius
I ran into issues with domain level filtering using Ingo blacklist last year
- http://lists.horde.org/archives/horde/Week-of-Mon-20121001/044879.html
Not sure if it's changed since then.
Simon
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Simon Wilson
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 09:18:18 +0200
From: Jan Schneider <jan at horde.org>
To: horde at lists.horde.org
Subject: Re: [horde] Sort names in shared address books
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Zitat von Dominik Erdmann <horde_mailing at der-domi.de>:
> Am 08.10.2013 10:58, schrieb Jan Schneider:
>
>>> UserA owns an address book. UserB use the shared address book from
>>> UserA. I added a new address book for UserB (filled with the same
>>> contacts) and shares it with UserA.
>>>
>>> The sort names option is ignored for both address books for UserB.
>>> The names
>>> always sorted by "lastname, firstname". (The view names option is
>>> correctly
>>> interpreted.)
>>> But for UserA works the sort option for both address books. For the
>>> own ones and for the shared ones.
>
>> Sounds like UserB simply doesn't have the preference set (correctly).
>
> Okay. Where can I set the preference? Under "Preferences => Address
> Book => Name Format" I set for both users "firstname lastname" for
> viewing and sorting. Is there any possibility to check the correctness
> of the setting in the data base?
If you submit the preference form on that page, any incorrect values should
be overridden in the preference backend. Though you can compare those users'
values directly in the database of course.
> Is there some more hidden setting?
No.
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Jan Schneider
The Horde Project
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 09:23:38 +0200
From: Jan Schneider <jan at horde.org>
To: horde at lists.horde.org
Subject: Re: [horde] imp: fromaddress selectable by user
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Zitat von Andreas Schulze <sca at andreasschulze.de>:
> Hello again,
>
> some of my users use a wildcard domain. (yes, I dislike it too ...)
> But my old webmailer allow them to type in the senderaddress into the
> compose window. Is a similiar function possible in with IMP too?
>
> Thanks
> Andreas
No.
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Jan Schneider
The Horde Project
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 10:00:08 +0200
From: Simon B <simon.buongiorno at gmail.com>
To: Jan Schneider <jan at horde.org>
Cc: horde at lists.horde.org
Subject: Re: [horde] imp: fromaddress selectable by user
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On 9 Oct 2013 09:50, "Jan Schneider" <jan at horde.org> wrote:
>
>
> Zitat von Andreas Schulze <sca at andreasschulze.de>:
>
>
>> Hello again,
>>
>> some of my users use a wildcard domain. (yes, I dislike it too ...)
>> But my old webmailer allow them to type in the senderaddress into the
>> compose window. Is a similiar function possible in with IMP too?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Andreas
>
>
> No.
This is also a terrible idea.
Use identities.
Simon
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 10:49:27 +0200
From: Hanns Mattes <hanns at hannsmattes.de>
To: horde at lists.horde.org
Subject: Re: [horde] Problems with SoGo Connector and Funambol
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Hi,
Am 07.10.2013 21:41, schrieb Dominik Erdmann:
>
>
> [Addresses with Horde and Thunderbird]
> Sorry for the imprecise description. First I used Sogo Connector
> (CardDAV). Because I observed some issues with CardDAV I tried Funambol
> (SyncML) with a new address book in Thunderbird.
> I'm searching for a solution to sync my contacts from Horde to
Thunderbird.
> Does someone observed the same issues or is it a self-made problem?
> Currently I'm using Sogo Connector only to read the data from Horde. But
> edit the data only in Horde. But this is not very comfortable.
>From my experience there is no satisfying solution with thunderbird yet.
I don't want to blame anyone of the guys developing thunderbird, but the
Addressbook is kind of a joke. For some reason, there seems to be more
interest in integrating a chat-client then a working implementation of
carddav/ldap(read/write)/activesync/whatever for the addressbook.
Just my 2 cent.
Hanns
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 10:01:29 +0100
From: John McIntyre <joh98.mac at gmail.com>
To: lst_hoe02 at kwsoft.de, horde at lists.horde.org
Subject: Re: [horde] nag/tasks isn't working
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Hi again, guys,
Wondering if anyone has a solution for this? I can create, save and mark
as read, tasks on my iPhone.
But trying to do the same on a browser, still throws up the same error as
above.
Help! :-(
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