[imp] Sean D & Jason Lohrenz - revisiting imp on plesk?

[tobias at kabissa.org]

Oh, and one other thing: there's a few features that I had previously that are
now lost. Can a knowledgeable person please point out to me where to fix them?

- add to addressbook link is now gone from next to addresses when reading
messages

- save to folder now forces me to only be able to save to sent-mail, when
previously one could pick a folder to save to - that was powerful! 

- expanding names is now not working right - looks to me also like there's an
extra addressbook now. It used to just be "My Addressbook" which is in fact
where all my addresses are stored. Now there is also "Private Addressbook".
What gives? Is this a Plesk change, or a turba upgrade change? 

I think that's pretty much it, besides having difficulty getting used to the
new
xp-themed white on white color scheme. 

cheers,

tobias

Quoting Tobias Eigen <tobias at kabissa.org>:

> Hi Sean, 
> 
> You've got it pretty much right. Thanks for your efforts to think yourself
> into
> my situation! :-) 
> 
> > ok.. coming in late in the discussion has my head spinning.
> 
> Not so late - but sometimes I do feel like my requirements must be totally
> unusual since nobody ever complains here or in the plesk support forums..
> it's
> good to hear that my situation makes sense to somebody. :-) 
> 
> > Jason is right the cert issue is a drawback if you've paid for a proper
> cert
> > you 
> > may want a standalone horde install to accomadate it. I see you want it
> more
> > 
> > like Plesk 5 but i never used Plesk 5 so i'm at a loss there, I came into
> it
> > at 
> > Plesk 6.
> 
> Well, I do kind of like the webmail.* setup for those organizations hosting
> on
> my server who do want to use their own domain webmail, and offer it to their
> staff. It is slick. But I don't want to force everybody to use an interface
> that will give confusing and disconcerting error messages, and I like
> offering
> a single webmail login on the Kabissa homepage for my members. 
>  
> > Let me first clarify your goals... correct me if i'm wrong here.
> > 
> > 1.) you want to have one url that all your virtual hosts use for their
> > webmail. 
> > (because you bought a cert for it). e.g. if your biz is called
> > acmehosting.com 
> > you want everyone to use "http://www.acmehosting.com/webmail" even if they
> > are 
> > trying to access the email for bobsworld.com
> 
> Yeah, that's it - except I do have the cert set up for
> https://webmail.kabissa.org (our main webmail URL) as well as for
> https://www.kabissa.org
>  
> > 2.) you want them to login with full email addresses only (this would
> actally
> > be 
> > required for what i'm thinking you need). and the realm and maildomain
> must
> > get 
> > set appropriately based on the username (parsed from the email addy they
> used
> > as 
> > their username)
> 
> You got it. I noticed with Squirrelmail this seems to happen automatically -
> is
> this not the case for IMP? 
>  
> > 3.)  you want no security prompts for https (in other words you want to
> use
> > your 
> >   purchased cert).
> 
> Yep, you got it. 
>  
> > fear not!  i believe this is entirely possible (will require some tweaking
> > for 
> > sure)
> > 
> > i need to know what the CN (common name) is on your cert.  I am a real
> moron
> > 
> > when it comes to certs but i believe if you purchased a cert with a CN of 
> > webmail.acmehosting.com and try to use it for www.acmehosting.com/webmail
> > then 
> > you will get a warning about domains not mathcing the CN?  (maybe somebody
> > who 
> > knows more can answer this one) what i dont know is if you purchase the
> cert
> > 
> > with a CN of only "acmehosting.com" and then use it for
> www.acmehosting.com
> > or 
> > webmail.acmehosting.com do you still get the warning...?
> 
> I've got the cert working successfully on webmail.kabissa.org. 
>  
> > some facts:
> > 1.) yes plesks webmail uses just one cert for all domains, but its not
> true
> > that 
> > you cant change it.  You just cant change it through plesk so they will
> tell
> > 
> > you, you cant do it.  Plesk wants you to pretend there is no such thing as
> a
> > 
> > shell or apache configs.  the plesk cert its using is
> > /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.pem
> 
> Yep - this is what I've done. 
> 
> > 2.) plesk's imp DOES use some simple apache calls (i think i pasted the
> code
> > 
> > into one of my earlier posts) to grab the domain name from the url the
> user
> > put 
> > in the browser (i.e. webmail.SOMEDOMAIN.com) and then set the "realm" and 
> > "maildomain" to somedomain.com.
> 
> Yeah, this is what seems so silly to me. Makes more sense now that they're
> not
> allowing people to log into IMP on other domains on the same server, but it
> still seems screwy to use the web address to determine the email addresses.
> For
> our needs, it is better to use the domain name of the actual email account
> to
> figure this out. I actually hacked the webmail on plesk 5 to get the domain
> name from the plesk database after the login. That was a kludge I was never
> happy with, and doesn't work anymore anyway since the upgrade. 
> 
> > 3.) you CAN change a setting in plesk to force your users to use their full
> 
> > email addy when logging in (not just for webmail, but pop3 and imap as
> well)
> > if 
> > you do this it opens up your options a bit for horde.
> > 
> > if you can do #3 above then i think you should do the following:
> > 
> > stand-alone horde install using your cert and tweaked out to set the
> > maildomain 
> > from the username (i.e. full email addy).  or not at all perhaps as i dont
> 
> > believe either the realm or maildomain are required (realm would not be
> > needed 
> > as the username would HAVE to be the full email addy, therefore every users
> 
> > mysql settings would be unique without adding anything to the end of the
> > username)
> > 
> > if not... then i'll have ot think some more.
> 
> Yeah, we're on the same page methinks. Seems to me my next step is to set up
> a
> plain vanilla imp installation and see what happens when I log into it with
> full email addresses. My hope would be that existing account prefs etc will
> be
> found and mysql settings will be unique, and that for new imp users the
> default
> reply-to address would be correct. I'm not so confident that this will be
> the
> case. 
> 
> If you have further ideas, let me know - I'll give it a go now. 
> 
> Many thanks for your input. 
> 
> Cheers, 
> 
> Tobias
>