[imp] a change on the lists terms

[Graeme Wood]

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, toya wrote:

> hello all, I apreciate the answers. I know those terms are use on the
> industry. But I dont see that as a reason to propagate something that
> have a racist origem. It is not from now that on our socity people uses

They don't have a racist origin. Please provide evidence to suggest that
the word blacklist has ever been used in a racial context. The OED does
not list any context to support what you are saying.

> those terms to define what is good/correct or not. The racist idea
> behind isnt only as the way i read it but the origen of it. Everywhere
> what is black means bad what is white means good.  Of course I can
> change it only on riseup where we use it. But I thought the developers

You are perpetuating racism if you believe that the way to tackle it is to
identify it incorrectly with words. The word black has only very recently
been associated with racial stereotyping.

> of IMP would care to not use such terms. Specially since it is something
> that is always on topic as someone have said here, maybe it does matter
> for lots of people. I wrote that email after a request from a friend -

Racism certainly ought to be tackled but not by entering the foolish
notion that by incorrectly understanding the etymology of words you can
stamp out racism by changing their meaning. It's daft.

> who is black - and use IMP but doesnt speak english and asked me to
> write. He was quite surprise to see such terms, this is part of the

If he doesn't speak English, how does he know that the word has racist
origins? He is making a HUGE assumption and one that is incorrect.

> fight for a equal society. the use of terms like that as well as many
> others. Maybe he was surprise to see it been used in a free software
> project where the filosofy is diferent from the other softwares
> developed in the "industry world". Like in spip for instance, where the
> icon "author" in languagues where they have female and male worlds =
> autora and autor they use both. This is called "linguagem inclussiva" -
> not sure how to translate it to english. Maybe it could be changed to
> "mistakes" ->as at squirrel mail
>
>
>
>  - which are used a lot in the world to define what is correct or good and what is wrong or bad - been propagated also at places where the filosofy are quite diferent from the industry world, like at free softwares for instance.
>
>
> because it seems to Em Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 07:40:06AM -0200, Fabio escreveu:
> > With lack of a better alternative, you could rename them to 'green list'
> > and 'red list' in the sense of a semaphore.
> > You don't even have to mess with the code, just play around with the
> > pt_BR.po and translate.php files in `horde/imp/po/`.
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