[board] Minutes from today's meeting
Chuck Hagenbuch
chuck at horde.org
Tue Mar 4 21:22:05 UTC 2008
Here are the minutes from today's board meeting:
[11:04] <cjh> Good morning/afternoon/evening everyone
[11:04] <cjh> I have one addition to the agenda that Ben K. sent,
leaving it looking like:
[11:04] <selsky> hey all
[11:04] <cjh> * Horde 3.2 Release Progress Update
[11:05] <cjh> * Google Summer of Code
[11:05] <cjh> * Planet Horde
[11:05] <cjh> * Discussion
[11:05] <cjh> I figure we'll wait another minute or so and then get started.
[11:10] <cjh> Alright, that was 5 minutes.
[11:10] <cjh> Welcome all.
[11:10] yunosh joined the channel.
[11:10] <cjh> I may have to step away at some point, so let's get going.
[11:10] <yunosh> hello folks
[11:11] <cjh> Unless there's popular demand I'm going to skip
introductions today.
[11:11] <duckslo> I agree.
[11:11] <kevinUofA> me too
[11:11] <yunosh> yeah, looks like we don't have any new folks
[11:11] <cjh> Which brings us to the first agenda item: Horde 3.2.
Jan, could you say where you see us in the release process? I started
doing a few reports on open bugs, but didn't get very far.
[11:11] <kevinUofA> and less old folks ;)
[11:12] <yunosh> kevinUofA: yeah, i almost missed it too ;)
[11:12] <yunosh> well, we fixed a few show-stopper bugs during the last month
[11:12] <yunosh> but there are still a few to go
[11:13] <yunosh> i personally want to make sure that at least basic
synching works again
[11:13] <yunosh> there seem to be a few issues atm
[11:13] <yunosh> but we should go final this months
[11:13] <yunosh> month
[11:13] <cjh> I think maybe one more RC, then final if there are no issues.
[11:14] <yunosh> well, yeah, probably
[11:14] <Shpoon> I agree with one more RC. I've pushed quite a few
dimp bugfixes lately, and would like to see them tested a bit.
[11:14] <cjh> liamr, kevinUofA especially - anyone using the RCs have
any comments about them?
[11:15] <kevinUofA> we're not using the latest RC but we're at the
latest official release and have been having a lot of memcache
issues... looking forward to seeing how things have improved in 3.2
[11:16] <MrVi> kevinUofA: what type of issues?
[11:16] <Shpoon> well, i can say for sure memcache support is vastly improved
[11:16] <Shpoon> as of 3.1.x, it wasn't on any developers radar really
[11:16] <liamr> i've been on vacation since last Tuesday, so I can't
say. I just got back.
[11:17] <Shpoon> As MrVi will attest, I've had the ability since 3.1
to spend a substantial amount of time improving memcache support.
[11:17] <kevinUofA> mostly we're just finding it's not 100% reliable -
especially if there's any DB interruption. We're rebooting those
machines far more than we should be.
[11:17] <liamr> I know that we were seeing the problems I'd reported
on the list with the version of DIMP that was in CVS last Tuesday
(when it was recommended that I try HEAD)
[11:17] <duckslo> I had some issues with memcache. But they get solved
when I upgraded memcached upgrade to the last version.
[11:18] <MrVi> Shpoon: I haven't noticed any problem in the version we
are running in production
[11:18] <MrVi> but I guess I use it in a different way than kevin
[11:18] <Shpoon> Kevin sounds like he is using 3.1
[11:18] <Shpoon> we didn't really have memcache support in 3.1
[11:19] <kevinUofA> I think most of our problems are load related....
we're coming up on high-tide
[11:19] <kevinUofA> ya we're on 3.1
[11:19] <Shpoon> liamr: i've fixed many safari bugs since last tuesday.
[11:19] <Shpoon> in dimp
[11:20] <MrVi> Shpoon: I'm running MAI 3.2.5.. I lost track of horde
release numbers:-)
[11:21] <selsky> What is MAI?
[11:21] <MrVi> nevermind.. It's PT's maintenance release :)
[11:22] <cjh> Alright, so it sounds like we're making progress for
everyone, but have some work to do. Hoping for releases this month.
[11:22] <cjh> kevinUofA: it'd be great if you could test the RCs, of course :)
[11:22] <kevinUofA> I'll set up a test server this week :)
[11:22] <cjh> excellent :)
[11:23] <kevinUofA> is PHP 5 recommended?
[11:23] <cjh> I'd recommend 5.2.x
[11:23] <kevinUofA> ok. I'll go that way
[11:23] <johnmorr> we finally got around to upgrading our horde
machines to php5 recently... it's made a huge difference
[11:24] <MrVi> we're running 5.2.4
[11:24] <johnmorr> ~35% drop in cpu consumption
[11:24] <kevinUofA> I've been waiting for 3.2 to upgrade, since we
finally got our installation nice and stable so we wanted to wait
until after this semester to do any major changes
[11:24] <kevinUofA> but it's always been the intention to to to php5
[11:24] <liamr> we're in a similar situation. we're waiting until
semester's end to roll out any major changes.
[11:24] <johnmorr> kevinUofA: are you running an accelerator of any
kind (zend optimizer, eaccelerator, etc.)?
[11:25] <kevinUofA> yeah eaccelerator...
[11:25] <kevinUofA> we couldn't get it working with 5 before (2 years
ago) so I'm hoping I can get it working now (on OpenBSD)
[11:25] <MrVi> we're running apc
[11:25] <johnmorr> kevinUofA: eaccel + php5?
[11:26] <kevinUofA> eaccel + php4
[11:26] <MrVi> pear install apc
[11:26] <johnmorr> sorry, i meant: when you mentioned "couldn't get it
working with 5" was that eaccel trying to work with php5?
[11:26] <kevinUofA> MrVi: does apc work as well?
[11:26] <kevinUofA> oh... yes
[11:26] <MrVi> kevinUofA: yes
[11:26] <MrVi> we have around 14M php scripts served daily :-)
[11:27] <kevinUofA> for the life of me I couldn't get PHP5 and
eaccelerator to play nice. Though this was several versions ago.
[11:27] <kevinUofA> MrVi: sweet - I'll try that on the
yet-to-be-created test server
[11:27] <Shpoon> all of the accelerators were broken for a bit when
PHP 5 first came out
[11:27] <johnmorr> kevinUofA: fwiw, make sure you use the latest
eaccelerator release, since eaccel < 0.9.5.2 was broken and/or buggy
with php 5.x
[11:27] <yunosh> since apc is supposed to be in core php 6 (or even
5.3) i suggest trying that
[11:27] <Shpoon> they are all stable now AFAIK
[11:27] <johnmorr> nod Shpoon
[11:27] <MrVi> kevinUofA: although once in awhile, i start getting
segfaults for one particular page.. that happens like once per month
though
[11:28] <MrVi> kevinUofA: I want to give xcache a try, since it's from
the lighttpd folks
[11:28] <kevinUofA> johnmorr: I'm not sure what version we're running
offhand but when I build this new server I'll use the latest & greatest
[11:29] <kevinUofA> MrVi: I'll give apc and the latest eaccelerator a
try. I expect one or both will work just fine.
[11:29] <cjh> I think we're ready for the next agenda item, though of
course this discussion can/should continue here or on the mailing list
[11:29] <kevinUofA> sounds good
[11:30] <cjh> The next item on the agenda: Google Summer of Code
[11:30] <duckslo> I run xcache + php 5.2.5. + lighttpd. With php5
object oriented programs are faster, but the really big step for me
was to switch from apache to lighttpd
[11:30] <duckslo> Btw, php 5.2.6 is in rc1 state already
[11:30] <cjh> We participated in summer of code the first two years,
with mixed results
[11:30] <cjh> we didn't last year, partially because of time and
resources and because of our experiences before
[11:31] <cjh> I'd really like to see us involved again this year
[11:31] <cjh> however, my wife is due soon so I'll be a bit busy over
the summer :)
[11:31] <kevinUofA> Congrats!
[11:31] <cjh> I'm happy to coordinate, but shouldn't take on mentoring
more than _maybe_ one student
[11:31] <cjh> so I'm hoping that others can step in as mentors this year.
[11:32] <cjh> (thanks!)
[11:32] <cjh> I think it'd be especially cool if some of the
universities could help mentor, and/or recruit students to apply to
work on Horde
[11:32] <yunosh> i'll probably mentor too, though it collides a bit
with vacation and LinuxTag
[11:33] <selsky> what commitment is needed to mentor?
[11:34] <cjh> working with a student, staying in close coordination,
getting them involved in the general horde community
[11:34] <cjh> reviewing their work, etc.
[11:34] <cjh> I don't see specific guidelines here, but I might be
missing them:
[11:34] <yunosh> and keep nudging them :)
[11:35] <cjh> http://code.google.com/soc/2008/faqs.html
[11:37] <yunosh> silence
[11:37] <yunosh> are we through with this topic?
[11:37] <kevinUofA> (reading the link)
[11:38] <cjh> liamr, kevinUofA - you're the university folks here
today. Do you think you could be involved in this in some fashion?
[11:38] <liamr> do students suggest the applications they want to work
at, or do we generate this?
[11:38] <liamr> (sorry i'm quiet, i've got a real life meeting right
now about our deployment of Horde 3.2 :))
[11:38] <yunosh> both is possible
[11:38] <cjh> liamr: both. we post a list of ideas, but students are
free to suggest their own project ideas as well
[11:38] <cjh> liamr: heh, understood. Things are crazy at my work also.
[11:40] <kevinUofA> What kind of supervision is generally required?
Is there any financial commitment by the university?
[11:40] <cjh> No, no financial committment
[11:40] <cjh> mentors get a stipend, as do students
[11:40] <selsky> selsky: don't i count as a university folk too?
[11:41] <cjh> The supervision is community mentoring (not necessarily
in person of course)
[11:41] <yunosh> kevinUofA: no, not at all, just bein available
[11:41] <cjh> Oops, sorry Matt. Yes, you count too. I guess I was
putting you in the developer category
[11:41] <yunosh> and a cool t-shirt
[11:41] <kevinUofA> Do we provide workspace or do students work on
their own and just check in with us?>
[11:42] <cjh> kevinUofA: it's entirely distributed - no in-person
stuff is required
[11:42] <yunosh> they work on their own
[11:42] <cjh> i mean, it's great if someone happens to be local, but
that's not a requirement at all
[11:42] <yunosh> all you actually have to provide is an email address
with a person behind it
[11:43] <liamr> i think were there students at UMich that wanted to
participate in a horde specific SoC project, we could help shepherd
them.
[11:43] <yunosh> and the time commitment of course
[11:43] <kevinUofA> well I'm sure we could find a computing science
student to work on something... I'll have to run it past the powers
that be.
[11:44] <liamr> (again with buy in from people above me)
[11:44] <kevinUofA> I'm not sure if I'd be available to mentor
though... if I got another horde admin to be the mentor would that be
okay (they're not developer-types at all tho)?
[11:44] <Shpoon> I would be willing to help a formal sponsors with
students (especially if it deals with the mail apps), but I don't feel
I have the ability to sponsor a student by myself
[11:44] <cjh> Okay. We can definitely use secondary mentors.
[11:44] <cjh> I'll try and work with Jan to get us registered as a
mentoring organization
[11:44] <cjh> and we'll go from there I think.
[11:45] <cjh> Any more questions before we move on?
[11:45] <kevinUofA> probably... but I'll take them offline
[11:45] <cjh> Cool.
[11:45] <cjh> This is a small agenda item, but I wanted to plug Planet
Horde to everyone here
[11:45] <cjh> http://planet.horde.org/
[11:46] <cjh> if anyone has a blog with horde-related content,
especially horde-related content that has a unique tag/feed, please
let me know, and we'll add it.
[11:46] <kevinUofA> looks good!
[11:47] <MrVi> next time i post anything horde related i'll let you
know and maybe add the tag to the planet
[11:47] <Shpoon> I should really get around to having blog explaining
what I am curently breaking...
[11:47] <kevinUofA> hehe I'm with ya there Shpoon
[11:47] <MrVi> then you would break your blog
[11:47] <duckslo> Planet horde should be integrated with main horde
site not being a standalone portal.
[11:47] <yunosh> heh
[11:48] <cjh> duckslo: the feed is on the main home page
[11:49] <cjh> and at some point hopefully the volume will be a bit
high for the main page
[11:49] <kevinUofA> that site-specific browser topic is pretty cool...
I may put that up as a tip for our users once I try it out.
[11:50] <cjh> it's been great for me - no crashes, and complete
isolation from other browser wonkiness
[11:50] <cjh> and of course for schools or companies, you can
distribute a browser with the URL already set, a custom icon, etc.
[11:51] <kevinUofA> that's something I'll use extensively just for my
own testing
[11:51] <cjh> Alright, that brings us to questions/open floor.
[11:51] <duckslo> Oky. Better then noting :) But I am still favour to
the idea of not having multiply sub-pages but al linked together in a
general site. We should have more dynamic content on the first page.
[11:51] <kevinUofA> We mentioned OSCON last meeting. Have we decided
on a definitive meeting there?
[11:52] <cjh> duckslo: I agree with that, definitely.
[11:52] <cjh> kevinUofA: no, nothing has been decided.
[11:52] <cjh> for me, the baby puts travel this summer/fall a bit up
in the air
[11:53] <kevinUofA> yeah for sure. I've gotten the OK to go so I'll
be there so that's why I'm wondering
[11:53] <cjh> Also the fact that my day job involves election-related
work and several of our clients are heavily involved in the U.S.
election cycle, and probaby will be through November :)
[11:53] <cjh> Cool. I'd love to go, but am having trouble seeing
clearly more than a week ahead right now
[11:55] <kevinUofA> There's also, as we mentioned, LISA in november (I
think) - though it's doubtful I can make that one due to classes (I'm
working on my MBA part time)
[11:57] <duckslo> I will like to come to US this year. ( Is every day
cheaper :) ) So deciding the conference will really help me plan the
trip.
[11:58] <cjh> okay :) keep prodding us, then
[11:58] <cjh> I'll try and talk to my wife and boss and see what I can do.
[11:58] <cjh> anyone have anything else? We seem to be fading out today
[11:59] <duckslo> I think that someone should write a blog after the
meeting just to track and explain the decided points. So things don't
go forgotten.
[11:59] <kevinUofA> Nope. I'll set up the test server and play with
it a bit - most of my 3.2 questions will be answered (or created) from
that
[12:00] <cjh> duckslo: Okay. I'll post the minutes like last time, and
can try and write up a summary as well.
[12:00] <kevinUofA> and I'll be in touch, Chuck, re: summer of code
[12:00] <cjh> kevinUofA: great, on both counts
[12:00] <MrVi> okay, when's the next meeting?
[12:01] <kevinUofA> do we want to establish a regular meeting schedule
(ie 1st tuesday of the month)?
[12:02] <cjh> I thought we did that :)
[12:02] <MrVi> ok
[12:02] <kevinUofA> oh! my bad - hehe... that's me paying attention ;)
[12:02] <cjh> so, next meeting would be April fools day :)
[12:02] <cjh> same time, same place
[12:02] <MrVi> so see you all on the fool's day
[12:02] <kevinUofA> excellent (and approriate)
[12:03] <yunosh> see you next time
[12:03] <kevinUofA> Ciao everyone
[12:03] <Shpoon> bye
[12:03] <cjh> Thanks everyone!
[12:04] <yunosh> bye
I'll try to summarize the meeting for http://planet.horde.org/ also.
-chuck
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