[wolfgang@train.sweet-haven.com: failure notice (fwd)]

[Anil Madhavapeddy]

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Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 18:37:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lew Wolfgang <wolfgang@train.sweet-haven.com>
To: <anil@recoil.org>
Subject: failure notice (fwd)

Hi Anil,

I thought I was subscribed to the imp list, I've been getting
the messages after all, but my reply below was bounced.
Do with it as you will.

Regards,
Lew Wolfgang

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Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 16:59:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lew Wolfgang <wolfgang@train.sweet-haven.com>
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Subject: Re: [imp] PHP frustrations with IMP install
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Hi Folks,

I'd like to add my $0.02.

I've had IMP 1.99beta running on a Solaris system for what
seems to be years now, and I had to build everything from
scratch.  I'm stuck at 1.99b because of various dependencies
with mysql, php, apache and the Sun/gcc compilers.  Imp
requires phpX which requires mysqlX which won't compile with
the compilers I have.  It reminds me of a house of cards when
one of the foundation cards needs to be replaced.  Since
web mail isn't the main application here, we have tolerated
1.99b as long as I tell the users that it's not yet ready
for prime time.

Now, we really have to upgrade things so I'm in the process
of setting up a SuSE/Athlon server to replace the mail and
web tasks that the Sun E4000 is currently doing.

I don't like RPMs, they hide things which makes me nervous.
But I loaded a fully functional SuSE 7.1 system without any
problems, including php, apache, openssl, mysql and such.
All was well until I went to install horde/imp.  The documentation
led me down the path of modifying the core php system to support
Imp.  I figured this was okay, how could it hurt?  Alas, when
SuSE came out with an update to php it broke everything.  It
reminded me of a MS Windows machine with conflicting .dll's!
I definitely did not want to take the time to learn everything
so I blew apache/php/mysql/imp away and compiled/installed from
the source.  This time, I left out Imp under the principal that
I don't want to modify core web server functionality to support
one application.  If Imp can't live with my php, I don't have
to live with Imp.  I know I could probably get it working, I
just don't have the time to do it.

So we're trying SquirrelMail instead.  Since we need only the
web-mail capability, this looks like it will work for us.  And
it was a snap to install without requiring mods to other parts
of the system.

Don't get me wrong, we've used Imp for years and we appreciate
all the work that has gone into it.  But I just don't have the
time to care and feed for it.

Thanks,
Lew Wolfgang

On Sat, 11 Aug 2001, Anil Madhavapeddy wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 08:43:28AM +1000, Robin Whittle wrote:
> >
> > > I completely ignored all of their patched versions of rpm's for redhat
> > > and think that it was infinitely easier.
> >
> > So you found that the documentation I tried to follow was inadequate.
>
> Frankly, you should spend more time learning about how your system
> works than writing reams of documentation complaining about it.
>
> Or better yet, learn how your system works, and then write reams
> of documentation about how it works, since you seem to like writing
> reams of documentation :-)
>
> IMP-2.2 was fairly complicated to install; hopefully 2.4 will
> address some of these issues (no more PHPlib, hurrah!).  One of
> the approaches to UNIX sysadminning I greatly dislike is people
> blindly installing software packages without understanding how
> they tie in together.  How do you plan to maintain this system?
>
> If you don't WANT to maintain it, then why not just grab
> something like the e-smith server, which takes care of all these
> details for you?
>
> One thing that would probably be useful is a "big picture"
> document of how all of the IMP components tie in to each other.
> Any volunteers to write this up?
>
> Anil
>
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