Quoting Pete Schwamb <pete@the-valley.org>: > I think both approaches serve different needs and that both have merit. > Why can't we do both? I'm glad that you're stepping forward to code all this! -chuck -- Charles Hagenbuch, <chuck@horde.org> "After a few minutes the most aromatic and nice smelling Italian coffee will come out of the exhaustpipe." - Our stove-top espresso pot